http://glamrock.com/forum/ GlamRock.com Forum » Topic: Kurt Cobain DIDN'T kill glam en Sat, 26 May 2012 13:32:33 +0000 http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-37717 Mon, 31 Oct 2011 00:00:51 +0000 metalrulesall 37717@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>i agree hair metal all the way but i also love nirvana,alice in chains and pearl jam R.I.P layne staley and kurt cobain </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam#post-37708 Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:34:01 +0000 Roman Fox 37708@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>I hate 90s in general!<br /> 80s was the best... <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br /> Hair Metal all the way!</p> <p>Grunge sucks! <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_evil.gif' alt=':evil:' class='wp-smiley' /> (but Nirvana or Alice In Chains isn't bad) </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-37702 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:13:43 +0000 WednesdaySixx 37702@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>I personally think there were many contributing factors: bands got older and wanted to change their sounds and images, the whole grunge thing appeard in Seattle (not just Cobain and Nirvana), people wanted bands that yelled fuck off as opposed to spraying their hair (Bands now do both!). I like grunge, I like glam. No reason to hate one cos you like the other. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-37676 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:52:25 +0000 metalrulesall 37676@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>i dont at all see how its either of those things </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-37674 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:12:09 +0000 Aquanet 37674@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Well cos:<br /> 1- it's depressing<br /> 2-it's out of tune<br /> 3-again the bands couldn't play<br /> 4- after grunge rock music became depressing, before it was fun...<br /> 5-did i say That grunge bands couldn't play? </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-37622 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:21:04 +0000 metalrulesall 37622@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>so tell me something aquanet,why does grunge suck so much huh ?....can you tell me because so far no one can..what the fuck is it you people have agasint grunge anyways ? </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-37615 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:48:45 +0000 Aquanet 37615@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>grunge sucks but glam bands fucked up themselves when they tried to sound like grunge bands (motley def leppard, warrant...), or pop-punk bands(poison....)eccecc<br /> And most of the grunge bands can't totally play...<br /> i mean you can suck at playin but have cool songs... but they sucked and had very low quality songwriting... </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-37584 Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:22:47 +0000 metalrulesall 37584@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>people all are the time making fun of kurt cobain for being a joke and a drug addict but i hardly ever here about glam guys and theres problems with drugs or records of theres that turned out to be total flops </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam#post-37583 Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:01:46 +0000 Roman Fox 37583@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>I think Nirvana don't killed Hair Metal!!!<br /> Hair Metal was killed times and trend...but also I think in early 90s was still Hair Metal popular <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p> <p>PS: I'm big fan of 80s Hair Metal/Hard Rock, but I have also respect for Nirvana or Alice In Chains...They are also awesome bands! I'm not fan of Grunge music but I like these bands, really<br /> Don't call me Poser, when you will see Hair Metal fan (me) in Nirvana t-shirt <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_evil.gif' alt=':evil:' class='wp-smiley' /> <br /> I like also 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s music (but 80s is my religion)</p> <p>Every decade have some legends:<br /> 50s - Elvis Presley<br /> 60s - Beatles, Rolling Stones<br /> 70s - Led Zeppelin<br /> 80s - Michael Jackson, Madonna<br /> 90s - Nirvana, Alice In Chains<br /> 00's - Bullshit <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_cry.gif' alt=':cry:' class='wp-smiley' /> <br /> 10's - Bullshit <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_cry.gif' alt=':cry:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p> <p>I don't like today Glam/Sleaze Metal (Poser/False) bands like Reckless Love, Crashdiet and more bullshit bands<br /> I can't believe that people call this as comback for 80s, This isn't comeback<br /> It's more about Modern Pop music and Emo hairstyles...also they looks as fucking metrosexuals, fuck this all...they makes me laugh! <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> <br /> Also I'm glad that Dave Lepard from Crashdiet is dead!</p> <p>Example of 90s Hair Metal/Hard Rock albums (no all albums I like, but some yes):<br /> Kiss - Revenge (1992)<br /> Def Leppard - Adrenalize (1992)<br /> Def Leppard - Retro Active (1993)<br /> W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol (1992)<br /> W.A.S.P. - Still Not Black Enough (1995)<br /> Scorpions - Crazy World (1991)<br /> Bon Jovi - Keep the Faith (1992)<br /> Aerosmith - Get a Grip (1993)<br /> Poison - Flesh &amp; Blood (1990)<br /> Poison - Native Tongue (1993)<br /> Guns 'n Roses - Use Your Illusion I (1991)<br /> Guns 'n Roses - Use Your Illusion II (1991)<br /> Ratt - Detonator (1990)<br /> Cinderella - Heartbreak Station (1990)<br /> Quiet Riot - Terrified (1993)<br /> Tesla - Psychotic Supper (1991)<br /> Warrant - Cherry Pie (1990)<br /> Skid Row - Slave To The Grind (1991) </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-25229 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:16:54 +0000 gunzzz 25229@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Sorry,I hate nirvana,Glam died alittle after them but now its maken a come back,thank god! </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-23918 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:55:26 +0000 CorruptedByRocknRoll 23918@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Fair Enough </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-23917 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:39:04 +0000 Panurge 23917@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>I dunno. If we have a Nirvana revival, you can probably kiss this little glam revival goodbye All. Over. Again. Good songwriter, but as one of the three trends that made me irrelevant (the others being punk and thrash), I'll pass. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-23900 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:27:20 +0000 CorruptedByRocknRoll 23900@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>"It pisses me off when I hear that Nirvana singlehandedly were responsible for ending the reign of glam. Just last week, I was watching a movie titled "The Wrestler" and Mickey Rourke was talking about the 80s and says "and then Cobain came along and fucked everything up". Pure bullshit.<br /> People wanted to keep rocking and glam ballads (which is all that was being pushed), just didn't cut it.<br /> Kurt Cobain gave the people what they were wanting. <strong>ATTITUDE &#38; ENERGY.</strong><br /> Don't care what anybody says, Kurt Cobain was a fucking GENIUS...enuff said<br /> <img src="http://demolisten.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/kurt-cobain.jpg" alt="Nirvana" /><br /> It's coming up to 15 years soon. Time for a Nirvana revival."<br /><strong>- samsonite</strong></blockquote> I totally agree........ Nirvana RAWK </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-23658 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:07:11 +0000 Zeitgeist475 23658@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Yes we did. Someone has done a lot of research. I forgot about David Coverdale having played in Deep Purple. And the part of Grunge with a big list of people having OD'd, Layne Staley included. The part about women being abused is true though; I saw a special about that on VH1 Classic and it was told by the women of that era. The girl that Axl recorded himself having sex with on "Rocket Queen", the Cherry Pie girl and her failed marriage to the Warrent guy (sorry I forget names.) The list goes on and on. I know that Lita Ford was and still is bad ass. I was talking about the women that the bands took advantage of. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-23604 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:00:55 +0000 defleppfreak 23604@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Wow....I beleive we all just got burned. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-23585 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:56:07 +0000 Panurge 23585@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Just a few things to take up here--I hope you don't take them the wrong way...</p> <p>(BTW, hi!) <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p> <p>Right on the power ballads. (Of course, that probably had somewhat to do with what could get on the radio.) With all due respect, very wrong on Whitesnake--those are some very talented guys, certainly more talented than the Crue, whatever we may think of the music (which is OK, I think). Remember, this is a band whose lead singer was chosen to succeed Ian Gillan in Deep Purple, and whose original bass player, Neil Murray (who plays on the '87 album), had played for three of England's most musically demanding jazz-rock bands before joining Whitesnake. Tommy Aldrige (not on that album) had played with Ozzy and Randy Rhoads on tour. And let's not even talk about the lead guitarists. Anyway, just learn "Still Of The Night" part-for-part and see for yourself. <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p> <p><em>Glam wasn't about the lyrics, it was about the look.</em></p> <p>Which was its first mistake. It has to be about the music first if you're making music, but once you've done that you can do anything else you want. That second part is what no one (on either side of the divide) seems to understand. Music comes before <em>cred</em>, too.</p> <p><em>Cobain...did something that's unique: he wrote most of his songs in complete sarcasm.</em></p> <p>Heh. Po-mo new-wavers and alterna-heads have been doing that since Elvis Costello. Trust me, any song that actually has a title like "What's So Funny About Peace, Love, And Understanding?" probably wasn't conceived completely in earnest--though it seems Elvis and Nick Lowe, the song's writer, have since learned their lesson.</p> <p><em>Glam is a lot more rebellious than Grunge and they lived a harder lifestyle than the Grunge rockers did. But they did a lot more drugs and really weren't that great to women either in the first place.</em></p> <p>Maybe. But grunge's rock-star OD casualty list seems to be longer (headed by Andrew Wood and Shannon Hoon). Meanwhile, on the Babe Question, metal has Lita Ford and Doro Pesch (at least); who does grunge have? L7? Drain STH? Are they "grunge"? (While hair-metal has Vixen!) </p> <p><em>Grunge rockers...were really not too keen about being in the spotlight; Glam bands meanwhile jumped at a chance at being in the mainstream.</em> </p> <p>Now considering what's just two sentences above this, is this a paradox, or is it just a have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too contradiction? </p> <p>Part of it was that glam wore its desire for fame and fortune too much on its sleeve; how could people not understand that eventually there'd be some major blowback? People don't want to have the idea that the musicians who make the music they love actually care about it <em>less</em> than their listeners do. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-23557 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:29:16 +0000 Bl4cFoxx 23557@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>I'm sorry if I offend anyone..but my opinion is....Grunge should never return. <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/3#post-23549 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:31:52 +0000 Zeitgeist475 23549@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>I don't think that Cobain killed Glam at all. I agree you guys who say it killed itself. Look at it: Power ballads really put a toll on it and every band wasn't really that talented to begin with. Motley Crue were definitely talented and so were Bon Jovi, Guns N Roses, and a few others, but not Poison and Whitesnake lol. I like some of Poison's music but its not what I would call creativity. "Every Rose Has its Thorn" is a great song, but its not genius. Glam wasn't about the lyrics, it was about the look. Grunge on the other hand really put more work into the lyrics. It made rock darker and to begin with, if it wasn't for Nirvana and the other Grunge bands, there would be no mainstream alternative rock. Cobain sang of depression, disfunctional families, and many other subjects. But he did something that's unique: he wrote most of his songs in complete sarcasm. Take "Rape Me" for example. He hated rape and practically damned all conservatives to hell for being against abortion. He was a very witty and sarcastic guy who just had a little too much baggage to carry. The media hated him and he didn't set out to be famous in the first place. The media like his music, but they didn't really like him too much. He didn't really like Hair Metal, but he did like some of the early bands such as Aerosmith, KISS, and Alice Cooper. He didn't kill Glam, Glam killed itself. Though of course on Nirvana's first album Bleach, which is 20 years old now, he didn't even focus on lyrics. Most of them he wrote on the way to the studio. the early sound of Nirvana was a lot more metal and punk influenced than Grunge. He didn't invent Grunge to begin with; it was Green River who began in 1984 and included 2 members that would go on to be in Pearl Jam. I don't want to step on anyone's toes. Glam and Grunge are great in their own ways. Glam is a lot more rebellious than Grunge and they lived a harder lifestyle than the Grunge rockers did. But They did a lot more drugs and really weren't that great to women either in the first place. Grunge rockers focused more on their songwriting and were really not too keen about being in the spotlight; Glam bands meanwhile jumped at a chance at being in the mainstream. Grunge rockers did their drugs too, but not as heavily and they didn't bath as much lol. I think Glam and Grunge are both great, but they both met their demise. However Glam is pretty much making a comeback unlike Grunge so it is interesting to see what's going to happen next. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-23462 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:39:27 +0000 BillyAcid 23462@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>yeah his version of man who sold the world didn't sound half bad. but my point is this, people get tired of hearing the same old shit all the time and most of the glam bands at the end of the era started copying eachother with the ballads and it became so G rated and predictable that it was easy to kill it as annn said it was weak. Glam had gotton so weak that the depressing shit that Nirvana and the other grunge bands sang about stood out more and people followed it. Like now adays i am waiting for a band to actually stand out because most of the shit they pay on the adio sounds excally the same and you can barely tell the bands apart any more. Sure i like the new glam scene i have to like it i'm apart of it in a way but they are starting to copy eachother too and it's only a matter of time before it implodes on it's self like glam did back in the day. trends and fads come and go to the people who weren't die hard fans of this wonderful music glam was just a fad </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-23447 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:30:34 +0000 drakonyx 23447@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Cobain didn't kill Glam - it probably was the other way around. Musical tastes wax and wane. Listeners had gotten their fill of '80s hair metal, just like they had their fill of the first wave of Glam by the mid-70s (when Bowie changed styles, Bolan fell out of favor and Sweet stopped hitting the charts). What comes around goes around. Today Def Leppard and Poison are still cranking out strong tunes; The Ark is big in Europe; neo-glammeister Adam Lambert is killng them on American Idol. It all happens in phases. Cobain didn't really do anything. I don't care much for Nirvana overall, but I have do admit I like Nirvana's version of Bowies "The Man Who Sold the World." </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-23443 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:02:46 +0000 defleppfreak 23443@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Nirvana was a GREAT band, but I think that they helped kill it. Plus times change....people change and the music changed along with it! Some glam bands tried the grunge thing, and then grunge died and now we have this new rock that I dont even what its called and Motley Crue crossed over and now their doin that and it seems very sucessful. Anyways, you cant put all the blame on Kurt or Nirvana.....just some it. lol </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-22833 Sat, 02 May 2009 16:22:36 +0000 annn 22833@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>well in some way i agree in that with you.<br /> what i think is that glam became a fashion, and it had to die as a fashion, let people who listens glam in the radio move on and listen whats next on the radio.<br /> and of course i'd have loved glam to be fixed.. but i thinks it was little bit hard to do that, specially if people wanted to listen something different, as BillyAcid said.(i totally agree with that). I bet glam's real fans kept on listening it anyway..<br /> i dont think at all "killing" glam made anything better, but of course there was people that did, and thats why labels, radio, tv, etc. moved on and saw the opportunity of bussiness in another thing.</p> <p>ps. glad you dont take it as an offense, thats not my intention, i love to read everyone else's opinons, is a great way to see things from another point of view and learn </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-22832 Sat, 02 May 2009 15:24:15 +0000 Panurge 22832@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p><em>it was so weakened, it had to die</em></p> <p>I'm familiar with this line of reasoning, but after all this time I still don't quite get it. How was glam "weakened"? What music would you give as an example? Warrant? Firehouse? Extreme?</p> <p>Not taking offense; I'm just saying that "X is in a bad state, therefore X needs to go" is too often a cop-out. If X is in a bad state, then fix it already, especially if killing it wouldn't really make anything better. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-22801 Fri, 01 May 2009 20:48:35 +0000 annn 22801@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>i dont think he killed glam<br /> glam killed itself.. it was so weakened, it had to die</p> <p>anyway, in my opinion, kurt represents all the sh*teous music that came after glam... music will never be the same</p> <p>MY opinion hey, i dont want to offend anyone </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-22750 Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:06:45 +0000 Panurge 22750@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>They've been listening to "depressing music" since the "new wave" days; the depression was just cloaked in "irony" before grunge came along. Besides, if you just plain like it, it's not gonna be so important what it's about. Besides <em>that</em>, people just feel down occasionally, and lots of people like feeling that they're not alone--and the right song can do that job. The problem is when you start wallowing, which is easier to do that lots of us like to admit. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-22749 Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:06:35 +0000 Hairmetalchild 22749@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Things change it's not his fault<br /> But I don't get how ppl started liking such depressing music </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-22356 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:02:35 +0000 RockLibertyWarrior 22356@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>" Music in the era +/- 1993-1999 sucked big time."<br /><strong>- Guitarsmurf</strong></p></blockquote> <p>Dude your correct. I was in high school in those years, I wore a leather jacket, a 80's metal shirt, ripped acid washed jeans, snake skin cowboy boots and my hair was to my shoulders. I listened to glam even back then because there was nothing else worth listening to in that time period. I have said over and over again that the 90's sucked big warty dick, people get in arguments with me: Korn anybody? Blink 182 anybody? Third Eye Blind? How bout the 1000th Nirvana? Look I don't hate all of grunge or Nirvana's music, I just don't prefer every song to be sad sack, whoa is me shit all the time. It sucks Kurt killed himself (some say Courtney did it but I digress) but as with glam it started a chain reaction of whiny bands that drove me up the wall. No one understood why I'd much rather listen to Judas Priest, Cinderella or Twisted Sister as opposed to Stinkin' Park, Limp Biscuit (they were really limp and soggy in more ways than one) or Puff Diddlyshit. Most of the 90's music bit it bad but there was a few exceptions. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-22354 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:06:32 +0000 livingdead70 22354@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>WHy would I have a beef with andrew? cause of the drugs, yeah I think he was dumb too, but great band. Definatly a great band, course Andrews death spurned Pearl Jam, who is one band I am violently opposed to.<br /> SPeaking of new bands, what do you guys think of Vains of Jenna?<br /> trey </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-22350 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:55:27 +0000 Guitarsmurf 22350@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>What the heck? Guys, what are we talking about? Kurt Cobain's been dead for a long time and glamrock/hairmetal is still very much alive today.</p> <p>However... IMO Kurt Cobain was indeed one of the factors of the demise of glam/hairmetal in the 90s. Him and the rest of the Seattle homeless people's association aka grunge movement. I knew it was all over when all of a sudden Nirvana graced the cover of Guitar World. Music in the era +/- 1993-1999 sucked big time. I'll allow Nirvana has a "few" interesting tunes, but overall the music just makes me wanna put a gun to my head (sounds familiar?) and get it over with.</p> <p>Anyway, that's all over now. It's cool to like the 80s again. There are new generation hairbands coming up every day. Guitar manufacturers are making multi-colored, spikey axes again. So all's well that ends well in the land of glam and hair. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/polls-forum/kurt-cobain-didnt-kill-glam/page/2#post-22349 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:13:07 +0000 Panurge 22349@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p><strong>@livingdead70:</strong></p> <p>Well, obviously Cobain wrote more "catchy hooks" than, oh, <em>Andrew Wood</em> did...</p> <p>OK, sorry, low blow. But if you prefer MLB to Nirvana, you oughta have twice the beef with AW that you do with KC. </p> <p>But yeah, radio (or the lack of it) did have a lot to do with it. Plenty of people never knew that the likes of <em>Still Climbing</em> even existed. I thought at least Tesla would make it through (lower glam quotient = more cred). </p> <p>AIUI, a lot of it had to do with a spat in the radio industry over which radio format, AOR or "alternative", would get the credit for breaking grunge. Alternative won, and that left AOR with no new music of their own because record companies weren't signing hair bands anymore, and they weren't signing hair bands anymore largely because AOR was dropping glam bands in order to attract the grunge audience, and that's why that format mostly collapsed (though many of today's "classic-rock" stations are close now, the rock radio industry having largely learned their lesson, though too late to keep their status as any sort of home for new music). If AOR had ignored grunge and stuck with hair bands or groove-metal bands (don't forget the class of '89--Jane's Addiction, etc.), could it have survived as an independent format? Who knows? (JA etc., after all, were even more connected with "alternative" than the grunge bands were. Some, like Saigon Kick, skewed more AOR, though.)</p> <p>Anyway: A bunch of stuff killed glam, yeah, but it was largely self-inflicted, too. It's gonna take new bands with something new (and not half-assed) to say to bring it back in a big way, though. </p>