http://glamrock.com/forum/ GlamRock.com Forum » Topic: Kurt Cobain en Sat, 26 May 2012 13:32:24 +0000 http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain#post-34904 Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:32:32 +0000 Aquanet 34904@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>It is a Latin proverb meaning " the taste cannot be discussed . " </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-34899 Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:24:35 +0000 metalrulesall 34899@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>english please lol </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain#post-34898 Sun, 02 Jan 2011 08:23:40 +0000 Aquanet 34898@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Sure he had a big impact (I repeat that they couldn't play at all...) but ok then it's about tastes</p> <p>De gustibus non disputandum est. <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-34889 Sat, 01 Jan 2011 23:11:55 +0000 metalrulesall 34889@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>i think of alot of bands were influnced buy kurt/nirvana because u listen closely u can sort of hear it ya know....and i truely belive that theres only one person who comes along every generation or so that can touch people on such a deep level and kurt cobain was that guy </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain#post-34877 Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:05:33 +0000 Aquanet 34877@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Well i think that cobain is the reason why we have my chemical romance nd the googoo dolls on the mainstream instead of steel panther nd reckless love...<br /> So yes he had a big impact on the music industry but it wasn't a good one i'd say...<br /> And nirvana couldn't play at all, from the voice to the guitars everything was out of tune, nd well i prefer to listen to ace frehley, joe perry, george lynch nd EVH nd malmsteen(ok maybe he's not glam but he's great!) on the guitar and not cobain...<br /> Nd then grunge bands said to be ispired by KISS and the likes of them, but didn't learn anything </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-34869 Sat, 01 Jan 2011 03:25:37 +0000 Painkiller 34869@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Yeah I know. Its still a classic song. In fact AIC I think was better than Nirvana musically cos I always found Layne Staley (is that how you spell his name?) to be a better singer. So many good songs they had. </p> <p>Btw you like Smashing Pumpkins? </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-34566 Fri, 17 Dec 2010 20:33:49 +0000 metalrulesall 34566@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>yeah i love that alice chains song rooster its the thing you sit and drink a six pack too ya know ? </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-34558 Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:14:57 +0000 Painkiller 34558@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Whilst I liked Nirvana, I never liked the grunge trend in general except for a few bands which I will mention. </p> <p>The worse grunge band would have to be Pearl Jam, I can't stand that dickhead Eddie Vedder. I agree with Kurt on what he thought of Pearl Jam. </p> <p>Other grunge bands I liked: Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, L7, </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-34074 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:44:26 +0000 Dash 34074@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>fuckin douchebag.fuckin bitch move joining a forum and talking shit.he's prolly goin to every glam youtube vid talking shit,saying its gay,haha.pathetic man,just pathetic.go pick up a hobby,haha.do something productive </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-34073 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:09:48 +0000 ghty102 34073@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>lmao i cant believe theres a forum for the hair metal era. The era which possessed the least amount of musical talent and relied on extravagant looks to be considered a musician, you all need to go out and learn what music is if you consider "bon jovi" genius. The grunge act was the best thing that could have happened to music, since the glam era was 100% commercial a counteracting force of anti-commercialism was needed and brought into the world threw bands like nirvana. We now can listen to music instead of watching some guy that looks like a girl shake his ass around and pretend he knows how to write music. - i cant believe theres actually "musically educated" people out there that don't look down on the glam era. Makes me laugh. Sorry to bring this negativity into your forums, i wont come back. Cheers. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-32017 Mon, 21 Jun 2010 03:27:48 +0000 kyle1998 32017@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>He is a disgrace. Led to people in this generation thinking having a good time is "GAY". Though i disagree. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-19022 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:35:30 +0000 RockLibertyWarrior 19022@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Right you are N1v3n and Panurge! As much as it sucks to hear this a certain sound doesn't last forever and it has been that way since music started. Baroque gave way to classical, Rockabilly to Rock n' Roll to Garage to hippie pop to hard rock to metal to punk to glam metal to grunge etc. everything in between that I didn't list. The thing is after the mainstream popularity fades it is the real fans of the music who stick around and thats what makes it special and important to us, it goes back underground and the sound becomes more original again. To be honest I get sick of Rockabilly fans saying they wish it was the 50's again, or even Glam people saying it was the 80's. Now I am with you all of you guys, pretty much everything after 1991 sucked and I am a bit of a musical Luddite, anything after 91' I am cautious of, things change, sometimes for the worst like I think now, but the real fans, us, remain! </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-19020 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:24:44 +0000 Panurge 19020@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>I generally AWTP. </p> <p>Don't forget 1989 and Jane's Addiction and the Red Hot Chili Peppers and the whole "groove-metal" thing; I think that did a lot to prepare people's ears for the grunge wave. OTOH, once it got going, I think it's fair to say that prompted the major labels to withdraw the Mandate of Heaven from what hair-metal was left. As usual, what does the real killing or nurturing is the <em>industry</em> (with help from listeners, of course). ;-p </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-19019 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:06:03 +0000 N1v3n 19019@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>ok:<br /> 1 Gunge did not kill Glam - i've posted about this before, &#38; it was definitely NOT an overnight everything changed from Teen Spirit being released, situation.</p> <p>2 80's LA Glam<br /> - dyed blonde hair<br /> - eyeliner<br /> - heroin addict</p> <p>Kurt Cobain<br /> - dyed blonde hair<br /> - eyeliner<br /> - heroin addict</p> <p>3 Nirvana's music. Nevermind owes it's success to Butch Vig's production (listen to previous Nirvana if you don't believe me). There is nothing original or groundbreaking in the music or guitar playing. It's a simple formula mentioned in previous posts.</p> <p>4 Dave Grohl was a good drummer though. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-19008 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:37:26 +0000 Metalrev1 19008@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Hey everybody Hey Stanley!!! I agree with you , I am so against Nirvanna, and that Crap that came out of Seattle, listen folks it was the Death of our Beloved 80's Hair Metal Gods. You can put that American Idol, with Ashley Simpson and her Dip shit sister and put them in that catagory </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-18296 Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:28:20 +0000 blondirockchick 18296@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>use reverese physcology and it will become clear...i think eveyones quite dilousional...iguess my equilibrium's off....porqu'a?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-17779 Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:49:10 +0000 blondirockchick 17779@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>curt cobain was one of those strange phenomenal talents that only come around once every 20 years or so but not so in the ways everyone thinks. nirvana has pretty good music but all that crap they play on the radio now, all that indie rock and stuff, that is what nirvana created and they ended up creating something just as horrible as what they thought of hair metal. you could never tell exactly what kurt was singing about ( if you can really call it singing) but you knew it was intense as hell. i believe he was just getting rid of some of the demons he had built up inside and lets face it, he was sick and metally unstable. he forever scarred music in a way that can never be undone...my mother used to work in an alternitive school in another town that was a couple thousand people bigger than the one we lived in. there was this kid who was a kurt cobain FREAK. he ended up killing himself while nevermind was playing on his stereo. but the sad thing is that kurt created yet another monster, the whole entire cult of suicidal teens and young adults today...he might not have wanted to be famous , he might not wanted to have changed the face of music or anything, well he changed millions of peoples outlook on life wheather he wanted to or not. music is supposed to be expression of ones feelings...rape me? he was just a neggitive influence if you were 16 and couldnt understand why your life sucked and the whole other world was great and why you have to be on earth if it really didnt matter and your hero was a drug addict alchoholic psyco who really didnt care? i really think its to intense for me too understand unless you really deal with that state of mind every day of your life, but thats my outlook on it. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-17418 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:02:33 +0000 Rockstarz102 17418@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Wow this thread is so fantastic for reading purposes ,first time I read a full 5 page thread &gt;.&gt;. Anyways, Nirvana is 0kay ... I do have 2-3 of their songs in my iPod (Don't kill me pls). Kurt Cobain wasn't the best musician but all musicians must have "some" talent in order to be call musicians. So thatz just my opinion <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_confused.gif' alt=':?' class='wp-smiley' /> . </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-17409 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:34:59 +0000 RockLibertyWarrior 17409@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Yeah , like I said I can't listen to grunge that much, it gets on my nerves after a while. The only album I like by Pearl Jam is "Ten" other than that my cousin who is a huge grunge fan tried playing me more of their stuff and it frankly got on my nerves, truth be told I can't stand Eddie Vedder for the most part, he just plain gets on my nerves. Just thinking about it makes me wonder do you have anymore of that beer left? <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-17390 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:10:36 +0000 carroll13 17390@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>"You know what? I here all this stuff about Kurt killing off hair and glam metal but I don't think that was his intention. He just put his band out there and got signed. The record companies scrambled for Nirvana type bands to sign. While I can't listen to Nirvana and grunge all the time like I can my other music, I like Nirvana. Their songs are well written and the raw emotion comes through, kind of like glam. And I really don't mind Pearl Jam to much. In junior high I listened to these guys and they gave me memories, while I am not a big fan of the genre, I still listen to it once and a while."<strong>- RockLibertyWarrior</strong></p> </blockquote> <p>I was with you until the Pearl Jam bit...<br /> ...but I'm forgiving.<br /> *and making a joke, in case that's not clear...I've had beer***belch*** <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> *<br /> Pearl Jam are cool people, but most of their music doesn't appeal to me, and it's not actually what "Grunge" was in the late 80s here...but regardless of genres and my personal taste, it's good to have a wide spectrum of music to listen to. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-17320 Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:54:58 +0000 MissBach 17320@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Nirvana is one of my favorite bands.It's a shame Kurt's life was put to an end so early. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-16506 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:54:54 +0000 RockLibertyWarrior 16506@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>You know what? I here all this stuff about Kurt killing off hair and glam metal but I don't think that was his intention. He just put his band out there and got signed. The record companies scrambled for Nirvana type bands to sign. While I can't listen to Nirvana and grunge all the time like I can my other music, I like Nirvana. Their songs are well written and the raw emotion comes through, kind of like glam. And I really don't mind Pearl Jam to much. In junior high I listened to these guys and they gave me memories, while I am not a big fan of the genre, I still listen to it once and a while. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-14278 Thu, 29 May 2008 21:09:25 +0000 glamno1 14278@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>kurt cobain is just an icon. amazing stage presence </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-10978 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:10:32 +0000 metalrulesall 10978@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>damn not to many people like him i guess lol....but i love kurt cobain </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-10966 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:36:22 +0000 MickMars 10966@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>i despise kurt cobain =( </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-10905 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:25:40 +0000 Panurge 10905@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Well, it's a topic that strikes close to home and is the reason glam's in the state it's in (well, besides whatever reason glam might have to point the finger at itself). We'll have something to say about this as long as we live, I guess.</p> <p>I don't know if grunge gave glam a "reality check" as much as gave musicians a new bandwagon to jump on once glam was given the thumbs-down from the industry. I mean, Metal-Sludge.com has a photo of <em>Rivers Cuomo</em> as a hair-band dude. (Click on "Features", then in the bulleted list, click "Exposed". And there's LOTS more where that came from. You ppl NEED to see this. <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /> <img src='http://glamrock.com/forum/bb-images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p> <p>What this essentially means is that:</p> <p>1) Not that many musicians <em>really believed</em> in glam--or else they got tired of it about half a dozen years or so. I guess I can understand that some people might overload on it after a while, or just need a change. </p> <p>2) Since those players are now making other kinds of rock, it stands to reason that those other genres' support is probably shallower than everyone thinks it is, too. If the Mandate of Music Industry Heaven was transferred back to glam, you'd probably see lots of "alternative" rockers going glam again. </p> <p>But glam, ever since thrash came along, has had a history of reacting the wrong way to challenges--mainly by toning down the look and trying to sound more "real". But that's not where the problem was. </p> <p>@Carroll: Yeah, we're not that far apart, and I don't mean to be a stick in the mud (though I figure I must sound like one at times). It's just that it strikes me as kinda <em>not good</em> that "getting good" isn't taken as obviously good as a matter of course--whatever form it might take. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-10902 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:02:40 +0000 rockNrollstar 10902@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>wow i cannot believe anyone still have something to say about this. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-10850 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:16:26 +0000 RcksAngl 10850@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>"Ok all musicians that play an actual instrument and/or sing deserve some sort of respect! With the exception of rap no instruments and just cuz they have spew coming out of their mouths does not mean it's singing.<br /> You make a good point on the emotions but the question and fact is what emotion did Nirvana ever give? "Depression" <strong>do we really need any help with that?</strong> No, and I think that is the point we are trying to make is they killed the "glam" era of fun upbeat rock with grunge depressing songs."<br /><strong>- lilpromoter</strong></blockquote> So true lilpromoter!!! </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-10813 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 05:39:44 +0000 cruebrue 10813@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Kurt gave a lot of these guys in Glam bands a reality check. Everything goes around in circles. "Nevermind" probably made C.C Deville sober up and saved his life, along with other guys. Pizza joints on Sunset Strip got a fresh infusion of talent for delivery guys. </p> http://glamrock.com/forum/general-music-forum/kurt-cobain/page/5#post-10534 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:43:27 +0000 carroll13 10534@http://glamrock.com/forum/ <p>Panurge, again, I'm not really arguing with you much.<br /> But I would argue that even Bach was expressing something he felt inside, which is what lead him to create the sort of musical patterns he used.<br /> IIRC, many of his pieces were commissioned by churches and royalty, and it makes sense then that many of the patterns he used lent themselves to grandeur...an emotion.<br /> Beethoven also wrote both an "Ode To Joy"(emotion), and a great minor key piano sonata that is very sad...."depressing" even, which is the emotion most often expressed by minor keys.<br /> Likewise, most Punk Rock deals with anger, as does not a small amount of Metal.<br /> Anger is a very immediate and visceral emotion...things blur a bit when you get really angry, and judgement fails.<br /> Actually, that can be said about almost any really strong emotion....emotions tend to be rather nebulous, alogical things.<br /> Sometimes the best music to express such emotions is equally nebulous and alogical.<br /> Obviously, when you get down to it, musicians are in a constant state of learning...or they should be anyway.<br /> I'm just saying there's other ways of doing that learning than sitting down and memorizing a billion scales, then learning how to tap out every chord in those scales at the quickest possible speed.<br /> And likewise, different genres are going to have a different value one certain types of phrasing, dynamics, etc...<br /> My preference is to stay as formless as the emotion, and try a couple hundred ideas before I find some that fit what I'm trying to say in the song.<br /> I learned a lot of technical terms when I took theory classes in college, but I forgot them pretty quick when I went back to making music rather than studying it.<br /> There's nothing wrong with "getting good" at your craft, but if you're a musician, there's also no single "correct way" to do that. </p>