Randy, never tried to be fast.. Randy never thought he was good enough.. and that's why he continued to take lessons.. and the first lead in Mr. Crowley that he played Ozzy told him it was shit and he hated so Randy went back in the studio and came out with that....
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Randy Rhoads Or Mick Mars?
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klf1018
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Stokes
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no im not saying anything against randy i was just stating that, but yeah i think mick mars was a better rythm player though because motley crue so many more catchy riffs than ozzy, i think randy with ozzy tried to be to complex an should have stuck with the formula from quiet riot
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rachael
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i would like to apologise to ALL randy fans because im with mick mars on this one.
no future for me!Posted 2 years ago # -
klf1018
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yeah, I will agree on that... but randy was good at what he did, and Mick don't get me wrong he's good at what he does.. but I mean really they if you break it down they play two different styles of music.. and lots of people say no one would have like Randy if he was still playing... but I guess it is what it is.. maybe the next poll should be Michael-Angel Batio and Yngwie Malmsteen.
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Stokes
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Batio will win that one haha
he is the manPosted 2 years ago # -
rachael
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"yeah, I will agree on that... but randy was good at what he did, and Mick don't get me wrong he's good at what he does.. but I mean really they if you break it down they play two different styles of music.. and lots of people say no one would have like Randy if he was still playing... but I guess it is what it is.. maybe the next poll should be Michael-Angel Batio and Yngwie Malmsteen."
- klf1018either way im a mick mars girl myself. but each to their own.
no future for me!Posted 2 years ago # -
MickMars
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mick mars period.
http://www.myspace.com/blindfreak34 <----add if you're a wild child.Posted 2 years ago # -
klf1018
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ha! yeah Batio just might have that one... and Yngwie's an ass!
but I still say Rhoads...
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Shaggzilla
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"no im not saying anything against randy i was just stating that, but yeah i think mick mars was a better rythm player though because motley crue so many more catchy riffs than ozzy, i think randy with ozzy tried to be to complex an should have stuck with the formula from quiet riot"
- sam77Rhoads used a lot of his stuff from Quiet Riot with Ozzy. If you look up Rhoads playing slick black cadillac live, he plays a small portion of Believer. In his solo laughing gas Rhoads used a large section of Dee and when he was on break from ozzy and home with his family, Rhoads use to get together with his old band. He and Kevin Dubrow came up with song that later ended up as an Ozzy single called You Lookin at me Looking at you. Not to mention that Rhoads never liked Black Sabbath and his covers of those songs live ended up on the Ozzy Randy Tribute album. According to both Rudy Sarzo and Tommy Aldridge, the three of them never liked playing any of the Sabbath stuff and would often screw up because they didn't like it. Both of them even said that Randy would've hate the fact that Ozzy put those songs on the Tribute album because that wasn't Randy playing those songs at his best. Rhoads, like Klf1080 said, was never happy with his playing, he was always looking to get better. Thats why in each city he was in he would look up a new teacher to teach him things, but some of the times he would end up teaching the lesson and paying for it as well. But to each its own. I'm a bigger Randy fan than I am a Mick Mars fan. Mick Mars has had some great songs with Motley but when I listen to Rhoads playing it just sounds light years ahead of many of the guys that came out the whole 80s scene.
I think this poll should've been Randy Rhoads vs George Lynch since Lynch was the only other guitarist to actually intimidate Rhoads musically according to Dubrow. Rhoads thought so highly of George, that when Rhoads joined Ozzy he asked the Lynch take over his students while he was gone. So for a while Lynch actually taught at Randy's mom's school. When Ozzy returned from his Speak of the Devil tour and Brad Gillis had left, Lynch actually won the job to replace Randy. But two weeks into it Ozzy wasn't happy and Jake E. Lee took over.
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klf1018
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lynch actually autioned at the samne time as Randy!!!
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Shaggzilla
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"lynch actually autioned at the samne time as Randy!!!"
- klf1018Yeah, Randy won and Lynch went on to teach at musonia that was 1979. Then Lynch auditioned a second time for Ozzy when Brad Gillis Left to go back to Night Ranger. Lynch was given the job then let go two weeks later cause Ozzy wasn't happy. Ozzy then hired Jake E. Lee.
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klf1018
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Yep, and then after Jake there was Zakk! Who know where he came from ! I'm not to big on him ! but I mean Ozzy and Jake couldn't stand one another.
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Shaggzilla
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"Yep, and then after Jake there was Zakk! Who know where he came from ! I'm not to big on him ! but I mean Ozzy and Jake couldn't stand one another."
- klf1018I like Zakks early stuff with Ozzy but his stuff now just isn't my thing. According to some rumors I just read a few days ago Ozzy fired Zakk because he thinks that his music is starting to sound like Zakks Black Label stuff. I think its funny that Ozzy and Jake really didn't get along, especially since Jake wrote most of the Ultimate Sin album while Ozzy was in the Betty Ford clinic. You would think that Ozzy would've thanked him, but instead he fired him. But Ozzy felt like Jake was taking over his band, and Jake didn't like Ozzy's drugs and drinking so I guess its not all surprising that they parted ways.
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klf1018
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Yep I've heard that Ozzy couldn't stand Jake when he was sober and Jake couldn't stand Ozzy when he was messed up! and I also heard that Ozzy never gave anyone credit he always screwed everyone out of everything.. except Randy! but a lot of Ozzy's new stuff does sound like Zakk's and it seems to me he's tryin to take over the band! But if he got fired, I wonder who will replace him??
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Shaggzilla
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"Yep I've heard that Ozzy couldn't stand Jake when he was sober and Jake couldn't stand Ozzy when he was messed up! and I also heard that Ozzy never gave anyone credit he always screwed everyone out of everything.. except Randy! but a lot of Ozzy's new stuff does sound like Zakk's and it seems to me he's tryin to take over the band! But if he got fired, I wonder who will replace him??"
- klf1018Yeah Ozzy and his wife didn't give credit where credit was due. Bob Daisley and Lee Kerslake ended up sueing the Osbournes for royalties and songwriting credits in the mid 80's. I'm not sure how long the case acutally carried out but I know they eventually sued the Osbournes again in the early 2000's for unpaid royalties. The Osbournes decided to re-record their parts in 02 and re-release the two albums Blizzard of Oz and Diary of a Madman without Daisley and Kerslake playing on them. Its weird too think about that cause too me that just kills the magic of those albums. I'm grateful that I don't have those re-releases. I think that Ozzy had Mike Bordin playing drums and Robert Trujillo on bass for those re-releases, that to me just sounds horrible. The only guitarist that the rumor I read mentioned was John 5, but it said that it was still up in the air. And you have to remember these are just rumors. I don't really care for John 5 and lately I think that a lot of the musicians playing with Ozzy suck.
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Stokes
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lynch an ozzy would be a good combo now, i wish ozzy would go with him now since hes done with wylde but hes got some other guy from out of the states i guess he hasn't released his name though
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klf1018
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Yeah, I agree!! I think Rudy Sarzo also tried to sue!!
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Shaggzilla
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Lynch and ozzy would be awesome to see but it will never happen. George does very well for himself and doesn't need anyone. he has so many endorsments and is always involved with many diffrent bands that he doesn't need to be with ozzy. ESP has made so many guitars with lynch's name on them if you didn't know better you would think he owned the company! I would really love to see George and the rest of Dokken get back together, just to bad Don is a bit of a dick!
As for Rudy I'm not sure if he tried suing them but it wouldn't at all surprise me. I remember reading a story about Carmen Appice and Sharon getting into a fight over the amount of money Carmen was getting from the t-shirt sales. Carmen wasn't happy with shirts or the money and he just wanted to sell his own shirts and collect all the profits from it. Well Sharon wasn't too happy with him but she told him that she would look into the shirts and see what could be done. When she came back later after their sound check she threw him a shirt and told him this was the best they could do. When Carmine opened the shirt he saw a large hole where his face would have been, Sharon then asked him if he saw any problems with the amount he was getting and proceeded to remind him whose tour he was on. Sharons a shrude business women, I'll bet she could give Gene Simmons a run for his money!
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klf1018
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Ha! Wow, I've never heard that story! But yeah, I bet she could or pissy ol Lars Ulrich! that'd be funny.
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Shaggzilla
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She probably would make Lars cry. If you haven't read the Dirt Motly Crue's bio, read that. In that book Motley talks about Sharon when they were on tour with Ozzy. Nikki said they used to call her mom because everything they did they had to run it by her before they did it. He said they couldn't even have sex without her permission! Or as I remember it, Nikki claiming to be on his hands and knees begging sharon to let him have sex with one of the nice groupies that were yelling for him. I believe she told him just that one and then they were back on the road.
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klf1018
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HAHAH! Oh my goodness that's hilarious! The funny thing is, how Ozzy is so good at making it look like it's everyone else's fault.. and when I find that Rudy Sarzo interview I'll post it up, because he tells about it all ! It's crazy, and Rudy said that Ozzy hardly writes any of the songs on his album but he's really good at screwing people over.. So he gets credit for it.
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Shaggzilla
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Yeah if you find that interview I would love to read it. Music is a funny business in a sense. It seems like if your not screwing someone than your getting screwed. Rudy is by no means a saint himself. Kevin Dubrow once said that Rudy is really good at playing other peoples stuff thats why he was in ozzy, whitesnake, yngwie, etc. Hell most people dont' even know this but even on the Metal Health album the cover song Cum on Feel The Noise, Rudy didn't do the bass line for that song at all, it was done by a basses that has been in and out of Quiet Riot for years, Chuck Wright. When Rudy first left for Whitesnake Chuck Wright was brought back, and even later in the 90's and 2000's when Rudy and Kevin began to have thier falling out Chuck was brought back. I think he even was the bass player on the Quiet Riot 3 album that was released with Paul Shortino on lead vocals, I'll have to check to make sure cause its been a while since I listened to that one.
Rudy is by no means a slouch though, he is very good at what he does. To me Rudy joining Whitesnake showed how good he really is for the simple fact that David Coverdale has always surrounded himself with great musicians. Steve Vai, Vivian Campbell, Adrian Vandenberg, Tommy Aldridge etc.
The one book that I have yet to read that I'm looking forward to reading is Rudy's book called Off the Rails. Its about his time with Randy and Ozzy and all the crazy things that went on in between. I'm hoping to get to it soon, I was actually bouncing back and forth between Slash's book and Nikki Sixx's Heroine Diarys, but I finished Nikki's and can't seem to pick up Slash's right now.Posted 2 years ago # -
klf1018
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I can't find any of those books anywhere, which SUCKS! becasue I heard about Rudy's book and wanted to get it becasue I'm a huge Radny fan, and I just saw the trailer for the Randy Rhoads film today, and I'm hoping that will be pretty interesting, but it said toward the end Randy didn't even enjoy being in the band with Ozzy!
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Shaggzilla
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Yeah Randy near the end of his life really wasn't enjoying his time with Ozzy. Their were times and Rudy talks about it in his book from the parts that I've actually read, where Randy and Ozzy would get drunk together and start throwing t.v.'s and furniture out the windows of the hotels. Rudy mention how the next day Randy was sitting with him explaining how he doesn't know how that happened to him, because he didn't get into music and playing rock so that he could throw furniture out a window. Near the end of his life, Rudy and Tommy both mentioned how Randy for months had been trying to get out of his deal with Ozzy. They said Randy would often come to them asking questions about getting out of it, and at one point even went to Ozzy explaining why he wanted to leave. He told Ozzy he wanted to go to UCLA to study classical guitar, Ozzy called him an idiot and punched him in the face, then told him if stayed in the band he could buy UCLA. I think thats another reason why Ozzy and Sharon have survivors guilt when it comes to Randy, is the fact they new he wanted out of is deal and if they would have granted that he would probably still be alive today. Randy and the Osbournes were good friends but knowning that one small little thing could have changed the course of history well that just has to eat at thier souls.
I've heard about that Randy documentry for a while now, still been waiting for it to come out. I know Kevin Dubrow was asked to be a part of it but declined because he said others were trying to further their interest from it. Mainly I think it was because Rudy Sarzo was in it, and Kevin and Rudy didn't get along near the end of Kevin's life. Kevin probably felt that Rudy was trying to promote his book at that time. I'm hoping to see it and hope it turns out well. I'm a really big Randy fan, I love the fact that Marshall put out a Randy Rhoads model Amp, I wish I could get my hands on it. actually I really just want the head cause the speakers weren't made to match Randy's.
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TDePaul1313
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"Yeah Randy near the end of his life really wasn't enjoying his time with Ozzy. Their were times and Rudy talks about it in his book from the parts that I've actually read, where Randy and Ozzy would get drunk together and start throwing t.v.'s and furniture out the windows of the hotels. Rudy mention how the next day Randy was sitting with him explaining how he doesn't know how that happened to him, because he didn't get into music and playing rock so that he could throw furniture out a window. Near the end of his life, Rudy and Tommy both mentioned how Randy for months had been trying to get out of his deal with Ozzy. They said Randy would often come to them asking questions about getting out of it, and at one point even went to Ozzy explaining why he wanted to leave. He told Ozzy he wanted to go to UCLA to study classical guitar, Ozzy called him an idiot and punched him in the face, then told him if stayed in the band he could buy UCLA. I think thats another reason why Ozzy and Sharon have survivors guilt when it comes to Randy, is the fact they new he wanted out of is deal and if they would have granted that he would probably still be alive today. Randy and the Osbournes were good friends but knowning that one small little thing could have changed the course of history well that just has to eat at thier souls.
I've heard about that Randy documentry for a while now, still been waiting for it to come out. I know Kevin Dubrow was asked to be a part of it but declined because he said others were trying to further their interest from it. Mainly I think it was because Rudy Sarzo was in it, and Kevin and Rudy didn't get along near the end of Kevin's life. Kevin probably felt that Rudy was trying to promote his book at that time. I'm hoping to see it and hope it turns out well. I'm a really big Randy fan, I love the fact that Marshall put out a Randy Rhoads model Amp, I wish I could get my hands on it. actually I really just want the head cause the speakers weren't made to match Randy's."
- ShaggzillaYeh that head is Awesome! But I'm not gonna spend $3,000 something on a head. I got the 08 RR Jackson blk w/ white poka~dots....It's sweet!
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ex~bassist for glitter pop boyz,the bubble gum mafia,prom queen starz,suicide alley, & gretta xPosted 2 years ago # -
klf1018
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Yeah, I know! I think that amp is amazing, but I get into so many arguments with people because his polks dot guitar was a Karl Sandoval custom, I have a pendant of the jackson on my necklace I wear everyday!
but totally agree about the whole Ozzy thing he's an ASS! That's pretty much how to explain it.
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Shaggzilla
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Whats funny is when I first heard about that amp I had a hard time just finding a place that actually had it. When I found a place and found out what the price was I said no way. Then I started searching the net for it, and actually found it in Europe for about 1500 less than what they were selling it over here for. The biggest problem I was having though was the fact that every single store that I wrote to that was in Europe refused to send the thing overseas. I don't know why that is. I did find one place that was shipping and was just waiting to get the money together, but as soon as I got the money the site stuck up they were no longer shipping to the U.S. I may just have to take a trip to England and buy the thing!
Yeah I get into arguments with people about Randy's polka dot V still. Its funny how after all these years people still don't realize thats a Sandoval V. Even when I read magazines and they talk about his gear or list his gear, they still call his polka dot V a Gibson. As for Ozzy thats probably the best way to sum him up, but at the same time you have to remember that music is a business and he's looking out for himself, because no one else is going too.
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klf1018
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ha! yeah I know how that goes, but it looks like they would as long as they didn't pay shippin they should bitch about it..
but yeah, I know and they people feel like a dumb ass when they get proven wrong because I'll actually go and show them and they're like OH and that's all they say... and that's very true everyone should fend for themselve, I've learnt a lot about that.. but he could do it in a better manner then screwing people over.
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TDePaul1313
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The business end is the wrost part...I've been on that end w/ most my bands. An mostly for the one now.
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ex~bassist for glitter pop boyz,the bubble gum mafia,prom queen starz,suicide alley, & gretta xPosted 2 years ago # -
Shaggzilla
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"ha! yeah I know how that goes, but it looks like they would as long as they didn't pay shippin they should bitch about it..
but yeah, I know and they people feel like a dumb ass when they get proven wrong because I'll actually go and show them and they're like OH and that's all they say... and that's very true everyone should fend for themselve, I've learnt a lot about that.. but he could do it in a better manner then screwing people over."
- klf1018Well when people are proven wrong their isn't much they can say.
Its crappy that Ozzy and Sharon do things like that, but their not the only ones. I know that Motley Crue got sick and tired of making everyone else rich around them, so they sued their record label over it. Now, I'm not sure how they did this because when ever a band signs with major label, the label wants the master copies of everything, but some how Motley was able to get back all their original work and master copies. Part of the agreement that Motley had with their Label prevents them from talking about how they did that. Their label knows that if everyone knew they would be royaly screwed! The Business side of things is really dirty, you really have to have trust worthy people around you and you really have to know what your getting involved with. I've had musicians come into my classes in school and they've talked about their experience with the business and how to try and protect yourself, but its pretty cut throat when money is on the line.Posted 2 years ago #