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Kurt Cobain DIDN'T kill glam

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  • Started 3 years ago by samsonite
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  1. Panurge

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    Just a few things to take up here--I hope you don't take them the wrong way...

    (BTW, hi!) :-)

    Right on the power ballads. (Of course, that probably had somewhat to do with what could get on the radio.) With all due respect, very wrong on Whitesnake--those are some very talented guys, certainly more talented than the Crue, whatever we may think of the music (which is OK, I think). Remember, this is a band whose lead singer was chosen to succeed Ian Gillan in Deep Purple, and whose original bass player, Neil Murray (who plays on the '87 album), had played for three of England's most musically demanding jazz-rock bands before joining Whitesnake. Tommy Aldrige (not on that album) had played with Ozzy and Randy Rhoads on tour. And let's not even talk about the lead guitarists. Anyway, just learn "Still Of The Night" part-for-part and see for yourself. :-)

    Glam wasn't about the lyrics, it was about the look.

    Which was its first mistake. It has to be about the music first if you're making music, but once you've done that you can do anything else you want. That second part is what no one (on either side of the divide) seems to understand. Music comes before cred, too.

    Cobain...did something that's unique: he wrote most of his songs in complete sarcasm.

    Heh. Po-mo new-wavers and alterna-heads have been doing that since Elvis Costello. Trust me, any song that actually has a title like "What's So Funny About Peace, Love, And Understanding?" probably wasn't conceived completely in earnest--though it seems Elvis and Nick Lowe, the song's writer, have since learned their lesson.

    Glam is a lot more rebellious than Grunge and they lived a harder lifestyle than the Grunge rockers did. But they did a lot more drugs and really weren't that great to women either in the first place.

    Maybe. But grunge's rock-star OD casualty list seems to be longer (headed by Andrew Wood and Shannon Hoon). Meanwhile, on the Babe Question, metal has Lita Ford and Doro Pesch (at least); who does grunge have? L7? Drain STH? Are they "grunge"? (While hair-metal has Vixen!)

    Grunge rockers...were really not too keen about being in the spotlight; Glam bands meanwhile jumped at a chance at being in the mainstream.

    Now considering what's just two sentences above this, is this a paradox, or is it just a have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too contradiction?

    Part of it was that glam wore its desire for fame and fortune too much on its sleeve; how could people not understand that eventually there'd be some major blowback? People don't want to have the idea that the musicians who make the music they love actually care about it less than their listeners do.

    "Lives devoted to Beauty seldom end well." --Sir Kenneth Clark
    Posted 2 years ago #  
  2. defleppfreak

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    Wow....I beleive we all just got burned.

    Posted 2 years ago #  
  3. Zeitgeist475

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    Yes we did. Someone has done a lot of research. I forgot about David Coverdale having played in Deep Purple. And the part of Grunge with a big list of people having OD'd, Layne Staley included. The part about women being abused is true though; I saw a special about that on VH1 Classic and it was told by the women of that era. The girl that Axl recorded himself having sex with on "Rocket Queen", the Cherry Pie girl and her failed marriage to the Warrent guy (sorry I forget names.) The list goes on and on. I know that Lita Ford was and still is bad ass. I was talking about the women that the bands took advantage of.

    Posted 2 years ago #  
  4. CorruptedByRocknRoll

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    "It pisses me off when I hear that Nirvana singlehandedly were responsible for ending the reign of glam. Just last week, I was watching a movie titled "The Wrestler" and Mickey Rourke was talking about the 80s and says "and then Cobain came along and fucked everything up". Pure bullshit.
    People wanted to keep rocking and glam ballads (which is all that was being pushed), just didn't cut it.
    Kurt Cobain gave the people what they were wanting. ATTITUDE & ENERGY.
    Don't care what anybody says, Kurt Cobain was a fucking GENIUS...enuff said
    Nirvana
    It's coming up to 15 years soon. Time for a Nirvana revival."
    - samsonite

    I totally agree........ Nirvana RAWK

    She needs rock n roll, she's begging, she's on her knees............
    Posted 2 years ago #  
  5. Panurge

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    I dunno. If we have a Nirvana revival, you can probably kiss this little glam revival goodbye All. Over. Again. Good songwriter, but as one of the three trends that made me irrelevant (the others being punk and thrash), I'll pass.

    "Lives devoted to Beauty seldom end well." --Sir Kenneth Clark
    Posted 2 years ago #  
  6. CorruptedByRocknRoll

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    Fair Enough

    She needs rock n roll, she's begging, she's on her knees............
    Posted 2 years ago #  
  7. gunzzz

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    Sorry,I hate nirvana,Glam died alittle after them but now its maken a come back,thank god!

    Posted 2 years ago #  
  8. Roman Fox

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    I think Nirvana don't killed Hair Metal!!!
    Hair Metal was killed times and trend...but also I think in early 90s was still Hair Metal popular 8)

    PS: I'm big fan of 80s Hair Metal/Hard Rock, but I have also respect for Nirvana or Alice In Chains...They are also awesome bands! I'm not fan of Grunge music but I like these bands, really
    Don't call me Poser, when you will see Hair Metal fan (me) in Nirvana t-shirt :evil:
    I like also 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s music (but 80s is my religion)

    Every decade have some legends:
    50s - Elvis Presley
    60s - Beatles, Rolling Stones
    70s - Led Zeppelin
    80s - Michael Jackson, Madonna
    90s - Nirvana, Alice In Chains
    00's - Bullshit :cry:
    10's - Bullshit :cry:

    I don't like today Glam/Sleaze Metal (Poser/False) bands like Reckless Love, Crashdiet and more bullshit bands
    I can't believe that people call this as comback for 80s, This isn't comeback
    It's more about Modern Pop music and Emo hairstyles...also they looks as fucking metrosexuals, fuck this all...they makes me laugh! :D
    Also I'm glad that Dave Lepard from Crashdiet is dead!

    Example of 90s Hair Metal/Hard Rock albums (no all albums I like, but some yes):
    Kiss - Revenge (1992)
    Def Leppard - Adrenalize (1992)
    Def Leppard - Retro Active (1993)
    W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol (1992)
    W.A.S.P. - Still Not Black Enough (1995)
    Scorpions - Crazy World (1991)
    Bon Jovi - Keep the Faith (1992)
    Aerosmith - Get a Grip (1993)
    Poison - Flesh & Blood (1990)
    Poison - Native Tongue (1993)
    Guns 'n Roses - Use Your Illusion I (1991)
    Guns 'n Roses - Use Your Illusion II (1991)
    Ratt - Detonator (1990)
    Cinderella - Heartbreak Station (1990)
    Quiet Riot - Terrified (1993)
    Tesla - Psychotic Supper (1991)
    Warrant - Cherry Pie (1990)
    Skid Row - Slave To The Grind (1991)

    Posted 7 months ago #  
  9. metalrulesall

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    people all are the time making fun of kurt cobain for being a joke and a drug addict but i hardly ever here about glam guys and theres problems with drugs or records of theres that turned out to be total flops

    " into the flood again same old trip it was back then "
    Posted 7 months ago #  
  10. Aquanet

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    grunge sucks but glam bands fucked up themselves when they tried to sound like grunge bands (motley def leppard, warrant...), or pop-punk bands(poison....)eccecc
    And most of the grunge bands can't totally play...
    i mean you can suck at playin but have cool songs... but they sucked and had very low quality songwriting...

    Posted 7 months ago #  
  11. metalrulesall

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    so tell me something aquanet,why does grunge suck so much huh ?....can you tell me because so far no one can..what the fuck is it you people have agasint grunge anyways ?

    " into the flood again same old trip it was back then "
    Posted 7 months ago #  
  12. Aquanet

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    Well cos:
    1- it's depressing
    2-it's out of tune
    3-again the bands couldn't play
    4- after grunge rock music became depressing, before it was fun...
    5-did i say That grunge bands couldn't play?

    Posted 7 months ago #  
  13. metalrulesall

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    i dont at all see how its either of those things

    " into the flood again same old trip it was back then "
    Posted 7 months ago #  
  14. WednesdaySixx

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    I personally think there were many contributing factors: bands got older and wanted to change their sounds and images, the whole grunge thing appeard in Seattle (not just Cobain and Nirvana), people wanted bands that yelled fuck off as opposed to spraying their hair (Bands now do both!). I like grunge, I like glam. No reason to hate one cos you like the other.

    Posted 6 months ago #  
  15. Roman Fox

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    I hate 90s in general!
    80s was the best... 8)
    Hair Metal all the way!

    Grunge sucks! :evil: (but Nirvana or Alice In Chains isn't bad)

    Posted 6 months ago #  
  16. metalrulesall

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    i agree hair metal all the way but i also love nirvana,alice in chains and pearl jam R.I.P layne staley and kurt cobain

    " into the flood again same old trip it was back then "
    Posted 6 months ago #  

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