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1. samsonite

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   It pisses me off when I hear that Nirvana singlehandedly were responsible for ending the reign of glam. Just last week, I was watching a movie titled "The Wrestler" and Mickey Rourke was talking about the 80s and says "and then Cobain came along and fucked everything up". Pure bullshit.

   People wanted to keep rocking and glam ballads (which is all that was being pushed), just didn't cut it.

   Kurt Cobain gave the people what they were wanting. ATTITUDE & ENERGY.

   Don't care what anybody says, Kurt Cobain was a fucking GENIUS...enuff said

   

   It's coming up to 15 years soon. Time for a Nirvana revival.

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3. StillRocking

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   I honestly cannot stand Kurt Cobain, although I don't believe Nirvana was the entire reason for Glam's downfall, they certainly were a major contributing factor. The irony is that some other 'Grunge' bands were actually pretty Glam, such as early Alice In Chains, and ESPECIALLY Mother Love Bone.

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4. RockLibertyWarrior

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   I agree with both of you guys. I'd say Nirvana didn't end glam and Kurt didn't go out saying "I will destroy glam" with his music. He just played and people bought his albums, now granted I am not the biggest grunge fan and listening to Pearl Jam for more than two seconds makes me want to jam needles in my open eye balls. Shit changes, music and styles, but sometimes the change isn't for the better i.e. grunge. Still I agree Nirvana didn't "end" grunge.

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5. rickkisixx

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   i cant wait to die and pick on kurt cobain for all eternity muhahahaha

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6. N1v3n

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   "It pisses me off when I hear that Nirvana singlehandedly were responsible for ending the reign of glam. Just last week, I was watching a movie titled "The Wrestler" and Mickey Rourke was talking about the 80s and says "and then Cobain came along and fucked everything up". Pure bullshit.
   People wanted to keep rocking and glam ballads (which is all that was being pushed), just didn't cut it.
   Kurt Cobain gave the people what they were wanting. ATTITUDE & ENERGY.
   Don't care what anybody says, Kurt Cobain was a fucking GENIUS...enuff said
   
   It's coming up to 15 years soon. Time for a Nirvana revival."
   - samsonite

   okay. where to start?

   I've posted before on what killed Glam and it wasn't grunge. Most most musical sub-cultures have a commercial peak of approx 2 years, (although never as commercially successful in the UK) How long did Glam have? 9-10?

   Record companies adopted a business plan for rock bands which would maximise short term gain. Short term gain, does not equal long term career.

   Cobain a genius. In the same way Mozart is a genius? I think not.

   Listen to Nirvana before Nevermind, they were not popular then for 2 reasons. Dave Grohl, and more importantly Butch Vig.

   IMO YMMV

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7. Panurge

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   First, anyone who says "Time for a Nirvana revival" on GLAMROCK.COM is just begging for "in-effect" troll status. Record companies were pushing ballads; how is this the bands' fault? Wasn't there enough "attitude & energy" elsewhere in those bands' repertoires?

   Honestly, I think everyone knows it's not that simple; after all, what about Jane's Addiction and the Red Hot Chili Peppers? But "Cobain did it" is a convenient shorthand way of talking about it.

   TBH, ISTM that today's mook-rock has had an awfully long commercial peak, hasn't it?? (Who will rid us of this troublesome Nickelback??)

   "Lives devoted to Beauty seldom end well." --Sir Kenneth Clark

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8. samsonite

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   "First, anyone who says "Time for a Nirvana revival" on GLAMROCK.COM is just begging for "in-effect" troll status. "
   - Panurge

   Ummm, it is possible to like more than one genre of music at the same time AND, it is possible over the course of a lifetime to have different genres as your fave.

   I'm not going to argue with you because I've read some of your posts in the past and you certainly know what you are talking about. I won't be condemning you for one inaccurate observation.

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9. rickkisixx

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   i think one of the things that messed up glam was that alot of poser bands got a record deal when they didnt deserve one. also the demand for power ballads. grundge wasnt all to blame

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10. poisonfan5

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    cobain didnt kill glam.GLAM KILLED ITSELF.every freaken glam band out there sounded the same after a while and the fans actually saw started to see it and pushed away from glam.if u actually listen to cobains lyrics, they are bout 10 times better then glams.

    i know it seems like we are never coming back. i know it feels like we r never coming back. you tryed ur best and you knew it wouldnt last. they were the words they wrote on her casket!

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11. Panurge

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    Ummm, it is possible to like more than one genre of music at the same time AND, it is possible over the course of a lifetime to have different genres as your fave. --samsonite

    Sure, I know--as far as actual music is concerned, there's a number of styles I actually like more than glam. I just, uh, have my moments at times. Mea culpa!

    Still, I wonder about unchanged revivals of any sort sometimes--they just seem like bringing back the same old problems. More to the point, I don't see that Nirvana's stock has ever gone down--most people today probably think they're kindred spirits to them. I just think that a Nirvana revival wouldn't exactly solve the issue we ourselves are facing. (But thanks for the compliment!)

    poisonfan5: You're right, but why does today's rock get away with it? Is it any better?

    "Lives devoted to Beauty seldom end well." --Sir Kenneth Clark

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12. N1v3n

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    "First, anyone who says "Time for a Nirvana revival" on GLAMROCK.COM is just begging for "in-effect" troll status. "
    - Panurge

    Ummm, it is possible to like more than one genre of music at the same time AND, it is possible over the course of a lifetime to have different genres as your fave.
    I'm not going to argue with you because I've read some of your posts in the past and you certainly know what you are talking about. I won't be condemning you for one inaccurate observation."
    - samsonite

    but dude this is GlamRock.com!
    would you go on a Mod forum and say how great Rockers are and that Vespa's are sh1t?

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14. poisonfan5

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    lol wowww

    i know it seems like we are never coming back. i know it feels like we r never coming back. you tryed ur best and you knew it wouldnt last. they were the words they wrote on her casket!

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15. RockLibertyWarrior

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    would you go on a Mod forum and say how great Rockers are and that Vespa's are sh1t? "- N1v3n

    Absolutely true. Couldn't have said it better myself. I am sure there is lots of grunge blogs and forums people could discuss the music, all in all I think grunge is a bunch of whiney, suburban, white, annoying kid bull shit. I don't like it for the most part but all in all Nirvana isn't too bad nor is Mud Honey, I don't consider Alice in Chains grunge or Soundgarden for that matter. All that aside this is glamrock.com, there is nothing wrong about liking different genres of music because I have wide musical interests that would make most of you puke (i.e. Rockabilly, Swing from the 20's to 50's, old school blues, 60's garage punk, surf instrumentals etc.) But on glamrock its mainly glam and all that it entails!

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16. dorkstarmy93

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    "All that aside this is glamrock.com, there is nothing wrong about liking different genres of music because I have wide musical interests that would make most of you puke (i.e. Rockabilly, Swing from the 20's to 50's, old school blues, 60's garage punk, surf instrumentals etc.) But on glamrock its mainly glam and all that it entails!"
    - RockLibertyWarrior

    Hey, buddy, i happen to love just about ALL those musical genres you mentioned, so there...

    I actually got in a fuzz with some grunge kids in school cos I had the bright idea of wearing a shirt i made, which was a white shirt with the words "I SHOT KURT COBAIN!" written with pink spraypaint. That was about a year n'a half ago

    
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17. SickThing

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    That shirt sounds funky as hell, I know I'd wear it!

    I'm livin' in the 70s, I feel like I've lost my keys
    I got the right day, got the wrong week
    I get paid for just being a freak

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18. johnny_priest

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    nirvana didn't kill glam metal the stupid people did it
    nirvana were to stoopid to do it
    kurt cobain was a drugged son of a shit whos ideea of music had no sense at all. just listening to penyroyal tea or dumb makes me feel like shit and hang myself with shoe ties. i agree i was listening about 8-9 years ago to nirvana (but i was little and stoopid) but now i can make the difference between an acceptable gurnge band (pearl jam or alice in chains) and an idiotic grunge band wich is most of the grunge (nirvana,weezer,screaming trees 'cause now (i am big and stupid)
    so let's make it clear nirvana did not destroy glam, grunge did not destroy glam, stupid kid destroy glam, yes!
    and one thing just try to listen to grunge + aftergrunge music in all ways and see all the styles just fucked up biiiig time!
    so kurt cobain isn't responsable for killing glam but he still is a piece of shit and should be treated like that.

    i know for sure , there ain't no cure....for the need of rock n' roll

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19. RockLibertyWarrior

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    Dorkstarmy I knew you had taste my man! We're buds I knew you'd be into less (hmmmm) cool or shall we say square tastes in music. johnny_priest you hit it right on the head! We can discern between wimp ass whiney bull shit grunge and metal or rockin' grunge. And another thing johnny, is it just me or does every stupid fucking band nowadays try their hardest to sound like Nirvana or Metallica or a mix of both? Maybe its just me but whenever I hear that crap anywhere I reach for the dial to turn it off. Thats what I mean by grunge being a bad change.

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20. johnny_priest

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    dude there's like writing on some sites that emo fashion was inspired from grunge and post-grunge genre (and the music in my opinion has it's grunge waves, emo sucking by the way)
    the punk is not punk anymore, it's kinda jumping with popcorn in your ass and singing at the same time
    glam new wave dudes it's like punkyer than they used to be few bands still rock big time from the new wave
    pop music was a genre i really though was cute (pet shop boys or a-ha) what should i listen now to? justin timberlake?
    disco totally fucked up
    old school heavy metal like judas priest , manowar or maiden does not compare with the songs they sang about 20 years ago
    and all this after grunge wave
    ofcourse there are some nice grunge bands but those are soooooo rare
    and for the view to be completed we get black metal , grindcore , goth dark metal , raping fluffy metal and anal horse metal (the last 2 do not exist but they should) for the nord europe idiots who burn churches and let us not forget industrial
    so after grunge music fucked up (i'm not saying it's grunge's fault) but grunge was capi di tuti capi of fucked up music

    i know for sure , there ain't no cure....for the need of rock n' roll

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21. poisonfan5

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    umm yeh i admit kurt cobain was druggey but most of the glam bands/80's rock singers were on drugs lol. and wearing a shirt that says "i shot kurt cobain" is just wrong any way you look at it

    i know it seems like we are never coming back. i know it feels like we r never coming back. you tryed ur best and you knew it wouldnt last. they were the words they wrote on her casket!

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22. RockLibertyWarrior

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    Right on johnny. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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23. dorkstarmy93

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    " and wearing a shirt that says "i shot kurt cobain" is just wrong any way you look at it"
    - poisonfan5

    Well, yeah it's definitely wrong, messed up, and potentially evil, and that's why I got "confronted" by the grunge kids. So, yeah... That was pretty fucked. Then again, I really don't give a shit about what others think. No offense to you, and not to be an asshole or anything, I just never have cared about what anybody thought of me and whatever things I do, say, etcetera...

    In the immortal words of the Sex Pistols, "I got no feelings for anybody else, except for myself, my beautiful self!!!"

    Haha but I still love everybody in this whole MOTHER FUCKEN FORUM!!

    
    "Being sober on a bus is, like, totally different than being drunk on a bus." - Ozzy Osbourne

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25. poisonfan5

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    haha yeh i dont give a fuck what anyone thinks of me either. awwww i feel loved haha jk

    i know it seems like we are never coming back. i know it feels like we r never coming back. you tryed ur best and you knew it wouldnt last. they were the words they wrote on her casket!

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26. GlamFan4Life

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    No one killed glam. A lot of bands just stopped making good songs because they felt they had to fit in. The classics will never die.

    Thrash is trash, grunge is dead. Glam lives forever. Party on, dudes!!

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27. BillyAcid

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    i don't think that Kurt ended glam i think that people just wanted to hear something different and they heard that in Kurt's music

    it puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again

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28. poisonfan5

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    "i don't think that Kurt ended glam i think that people just wanted to hear something different and they heard that in Kurt's music"
    - BillyAcid

    that is pretty much the answer for the whole topic haha

    i know it seems like we are never coming back. i know it feels like we r never coming back. you tryed ur best and you knew it wouldnt last. they were the words they wrote on her casket!

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29. kandii kayne

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    Really tha deth of glam had nothin' 2 do with Kurt never really cared for him or hiz soap dodging brethren. What truely killed off tha scene was all the five minute fanz that jumped the bandwagon in the 80'z then bailed when the next big thing dictated eMpTV and the countless souless magazinez churned out that week. Juzt chekk du of tha bandz on myspace when the commercial hair farmerz went tha way of tha dinosaurz glam just got bigger n' louder turning tha make-up and shokk factor dial way over a 100

    WITH MOI HAIRSPRAY LIPPSTIKK N' STRETCH RUBBER I'M GONNA BE YA BUBBLEGUM LOVER

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30. MickMars

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    kurt sounds like a retard masterbating

    http://www.myspace.com/blindfreak34 <----add if you're a wild child.

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31. RockLibertyWarrior

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    "kurt sounds like a retard masterbating"
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    The fucker stinks too. You know those grunge people they don't take showers, thats why they call it grunge, of course he probably stinks worse where he's at now. Maybe I went a little to low with that one. Let me think. Naw! Probably roasting in anti rock hell with Fabian and every other "rock" poseur!

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32. Panurge

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    @kandii kayne: Well, what the music biz giveth the music biz taketh away. For all that, I guess most of the fans and musicians were fair-weather people if the scene could collapse so quicky and completely, and that doesn't speak too well of the scene. But now most people seem convinced of their underlying "substance" because they're sad all the time and listen to the right bands and wear the right clothes. Still, there does seem to be something--some sort of questioning--going on out there, especially in Europe.

    @MickMars and RockLibertyWarrior: Kurt was a good melodist and a good lyricist who wrote tunes that don't necessarily have the usual chord progressions. Glam could've learned from that, but it hardly got the chance. And what's with the "don't take showers" business? Leave that to the haircuts, I sez!

    And WTF is a "poseur" anymore, anyway?

    "Lives devoted to Beauty seldom end well." --Sir Kenneth Clark

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33. N1v3n

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    @MickMars and RockLibertyWarrior: Kurt was a good melodist and a good lyricist who wrote tunes that don't necessarily have the usual chord progressions. Glam could've learned from that, but it hardly got the chance. "
    - Panurge

    gotta disagree there. His guitar playing was rudimentary and this is reflected in his song writing. The chords and chord progressions are basic, he uses no basic tonalities and rhythmic devices. He did write some catchy tunes though, I'll give him that.
    But TBF a lot of Glam is pretty basic - Poison and their 3 chord songs, but I still love 'em!

    Re. poseur. Bleach blond hair and eyeliner wearing vocalist, then you had the Glam bands!

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