am i the only one that despises the term hair metal?

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vie
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i hate it HATE it when people say hair metal to me whether its just some plain person or some snotty little emo kid or one of the leftover cobain wannabe grunge people.
it totally belittles every band and the entire era or scene when people say that.

trying to relate it to simply having big hair.
as if the music or anything else didnt matter just the hair.

elvis had long cray hair for his time the bealtes had long weird hair for their time, the whole rest of the 60s and 70s were full of crazy haired bushy hippies.
punks had spiky crazy colored hair new wave bands had big glammy hair goth bands had big weird hair the grunge movement had nappy dreddy messy longhair.
but only 80s metal gets an insulting tag and stigma put on it because of people hair.
do you hear people calling or remebering grunge simply as flannel rock? no because it for some reason is given respect and isnt judged by the ugly clothes and hair they had.

so please anyone on this site dont just let people get away with that insulting stupid term.

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AniseedRock22350
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well what would you rather it was called?

"I Want Some Glam RockingZ in My StockingZ!!!"

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vie
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glam metal i can handle, to a point its a continuation of glam rock.
but to categorize it into just a hair cut bugs the hell out of me.

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It doesn't really bother me. Hell, I call it hair metal sometimes. There are worse terms for the genre such as "cock rock" and "butt rock". I just ignore people who use these terms.

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to me...people can call it whatever the hell they want...even i will. at the end of the day, i love the music in that genre and that's all that matters to me...well that and the fact i have every wonderful member of this website, and the unwonderful ones...lol, just kidding...to talk to about it all.

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How about '80s metal?

"I even had a little mini skirt and waistcoat made for Wig Wam Bam. The skirt was so short, my undercart hung beneath the hem. I thought it best to keep my underwear on"-Steve Priest

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Lets nip this one in the bud quickly. 80s Metal says Metallica, Iron Maiden and just about very thing else that isn't glam.

Hair metal was used as a derogatory term to describe glam used by the grunge generation. Just like gay was first a derogatory word to describe homosexuals. Then, gays became proud to be called gays and started calling themselves gay.

Heck, there's even a book written on American Hair Metal. Let it slide I say.

Rock & roll over babe

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let me get this right...so you're point is this: Hair Metal Artists became proud to be Hairl Metal Artists!

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You sure don't miss a beat.

My point was more of acceptance. Some may be proud but I doubt that would include Jani Lane.

Rock & roll over babe

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oh...no, i'm not missing any beats right now..but that is another only semi-related story.

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I didn't realize that "gay" was at first a derogatory term.

"I even had a little mini skirt and waistcoat made for Wig Wam Bam. The skirt was so short, my undercart hung beneath the hem. I thought it best to keep my underwear on"-Steve Priest

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oh yeah...but then again...everything can be derogatory if you intend it to be...it's all in the intent..words don't actually mean anything...i guess that means my silence is worth squat...and i could already have been rumbled.

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Thank you from Merriam-Webster.
LMAO

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no...my newest names are in fact Crimson Flame..and as of yesterday: Poppy Se7en!

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I just call it hair rock: it's certainlty not glam, and definitely not metal...
"80s melodic American hard rock" is correct but sounds pretty stupid!

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Just like gay was first a derogatory word to describe homosexuals. Then, gays became proud to be called gays and started calling themselves gay.

No. "Gay" was used as a codeword among homosexuals in the 1920s/30s.

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i think it's just plain stupid! what am i or someone else supposed to do, go bald just because we have to worry about being accepted as well as respected? i mean there are some people that can be stuck up and snooty,but that can be in any situation, not just glam or metal, but in any walk of life, not just music. true, there were some lousy bands out there that had a much better look or hairdo than they did talent and great songs, but you can look good as well as be very talented as well. to me it's just different strokes for different folks, and it all comes down to your taste. if someone calls me or someone else hair metal or whatever, i just laugh at 'em and tell 'em to shove it, i've got long hair myself, and i'm a dude, so i just don't let it get to me, it's just not worth it.

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Waiting for a cab/taxi i was called "a mosher?" by a bunch of 15 year olds, i told them to go fuck themselves and that i would insert their bmx bikes right the way up their fucking arsoles.... job done?

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Well, no one asked me (especially since I didn't know about this place before tonight), but...

I don't mind "hair metal", but I find that lots of the people I meet don't even know what it means--they don't even have a name for it. But that might just be a product of never being around the right people--it's kinda lonely where I am, even if it's one of the biggest cities in the U.S.

Point is, for some reason (probably having to do with how it flies in the face of the post-punk hipster consensus), this stuff keeps getting defined by its worst stuff instead of its best--probably a by-product of its stated value system, if you'll excuse me. Listeners sometimes need more than a good time, with apologies to Poison, and glam-metal never seemed to respond to that.

@jmp: Yes, apparently we are supposed to go bald, or at least have a buzzcut or something. Haven't you looked around out there? :-/ Certainly we can't, you know, wear clothes that actually look good or something.

Sometimes I think it's all because the idea of glam (as a tradition of performance practice) just puts lots of people off, or makes them afraid of something. At the same time, the rap on glam-metal is that there's something, well, unenlightened about it; it's just totally odd that two groups of people can look at exactly the same thing and get completely opposite vibes from it--alt-culture hipsters look at it and see "macho swagger" or "sexism" and metal purists (their purism ironically spurred by the punk influence) look at it and see "glam fag posers". Do these people even know this? I doubt it, even now.

Apologies for any offense.

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teenagers know shit...it's the truth...it even applies to me....they think everything with long hair is a mosher, everyone in black is a goth, and everyone in skirts slightly above the knees are sluts yet belt size is acceptable...oh, and don't forget, everyone who looks like they're about to jump off a cliff is an emo...they couldn't just be having a bad day?...they can be a royal bunch of numptis!

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it just seems like to the assholes especially younger ones everything is poison.
but honestly i remember alot more def leppeards and teslas and great whites than i remember poisons you know?
for every lizzy borden theres at least 100 trixters probably.how many young metal bands in that time outside of the L.A. strip were actually that done up.
in highschool 86-90 i never ever seen glammed up metal people i just seen armies of metallica slayer kids and thats how i was to.any interest i had in glam at that time was strictly a in my room hidden under the bed thing.
but even now 80s glam metal isnt my number 1 interest im far more of a 1980 duran duran newro type.
and it still pisses me off any time i hear hair metal or buttrock or cockrock, but hair metal seems to be the term that has really cought on.
i dont know i guess its just me.
like i said grunge wont be remembered as flannel rock and this nu metal stuff wont be remembered as bald and bearded rock or peirced metal or something.

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I don't mind the term "hair metal" at all.Long hair was a big part of the image of most bands of the genre, and the visual (i.e SEX APPEAL) to me was **definitely** the long hair.....I like the bands I love to be sexy.....sometimes I still use the term Hair Metal and....guess what.....I'm ***not*** gonna stop using it.

On the topic but not....damn I wish those who chopped off their hair would PLEASE grow it back. (I don't mind if its thinning or if you're getting a bald spot.Thats natural and probably can't be helped.)Just a selfish request to make me happy okay?????

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@vie:

I'll bet you weren't the only one whose interest in glam was "hidden under the bed", if I'm any indication. There were some glammier bands here and there, though--a bit of eyeliner, some Spandex tights, nice hair, that kind of thing--it's all you need if you're pretty enough (like, oh, Trixter). Maybe the Sunset Strip was the only place where the concentration was heavy enough for glam dudes to feel comfortable being "out", so to speak.

One problem was that where I was (ATL), lots of fans of mainstream '80s hard-rock seemed to be "normal" people, with haircuts and Izod shirts and such, and I think lots of metal purists didn't want to associate with that vibe, and that might be part of where it got its bad reputation. Metal made safe for squares and girls--yecch!

(NOTE: I found this site due to a banner ad at a Myspace page for Lee Harrison, drummer for the Tampa death-metal band Monstrosity. He'd never play it himself and wouldn't look right, either, but he seems to have a pretty open attitude that's unusual among post-Metallica metal fans.)

@LEATHUR:

I notice that '70s sorta-long hair is making a bit of a comeback among teenage dudes. At least it's something.

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"I notice that '70s sorta-long hair is making a bit of a comeback among teenage dudes. At least it's something."- Panurge

Well most of the senior guys at my school (who graduated this year) had long hair, especially my brother's friends. Also this group of guys around my age who are acquaintances of mine (we're kind of friends, but not quite. So we're acquaintances) either have long hair or are growing their hair long. The way I met some of them was when they overheard me talking about KISS.

I'm livin' in the 70s, I feel like I've lost my keys
I got the right day, got the wrong week
I get paid for just being a freak

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"Waiting for a cab/taxi i was called "a mosher?" by a bunch of 15 year olds, i told them to go fuck themselves and that i would insert their bmx bikes right the way up their fucking arsoles.... job done?"
- panasonicq
that's so FUNNY!!!!

"I even had a little mini skirt and waistcoat made for Wig Wam Bam. The skirt was so short, my undercart hung beneath the hem. I thought it best to keep my underwear on"-Steve Priest

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OOOOh....now I gotta do my rant about the violent practice of "moshing".....grrrrr what a vile and dispicable act that moshing is!

I recall when it was called slamdancing...in fact I tried it once or twice....in Candies high heels and my usual miniskirts,when I was slightly under drinking age and we had allages punk shows at VFWs and Elks Lodges....before I went to California.

Slamdancers then at least had the courtesy to pick up fallen "dancers" (i use the term dancer loosely here).

I never expected the practice would endure....

I NEVER saw it in HAIR METAL clubs on the Sunset Strip scene.Never saw it in Goth clubs there or any clubs in the greater Los Angeles area, not even in punk gigs.

Imagine my chagrin when, about 2 years ago,I went to the Atlantic City House of Blues to see.....Nine Inch Nails, then Rob Zombie, then Hawthorne Heights 9these were 3 seperate shows not a triple bill).I got there early to get as close to the stage as possible....to check out the hotties (not that there are any in A.C.)...but there was these huge mosh pits....all made up of men like 6 foot tall in battle gear.....now I don';t wear pants,especially not to clubs.I DON"T wear steel toed asskickers either,not to clubs.I wear high heels, usually open toed.

In otherwords, not battle gear.Clubs should be a place to feel safe and to mingle.

One nite some strong guy pinned me down and was feeling me up!His gf was a few rows up.Why not feel his DATE up?

Another nite a security guard pulled me out of the crush with both my arms.....so I could NOT pull my dress hem down....some jackass yanked my dress hem up to my NECK exposing my lingerie to the world.And in an era where cel phone cams are commonplace....I can bet theres ass photos circulating online as we speak.

The soundboards are caged in.But screw the patrons.They will NOT make moshing/slamming illegal.

Its a selfish,violent act that injures women,kids and any small people.

Make it a crime or at LEAST make it a caged in area AWAY from the stage so those of us who want to see the show and admire each other, can do so safely.

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well thrashers and black metalers and death metalers and all that have long hair too. it just comes with the metal.

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at all the shows ive been to, moshers pick each other up. and actually theyre curtious enough to the point where they even crowd around someone when they need to tie their shoes. i actually mosh myself at these shows. its quite awesome if i may say so myself. the trick to staying out of the pit is not crowd surfing (cuz ur body will get dumped in the pit) and watching from either the sides, back or front of the venue. usually the pits happen in the middle, unless there are multiple ones or one big one. and as for getting felt up.... it happens. just punch the guy so he knows not to do it again. and the clothing you wear has a lot to do with it too. stick with either wearing jeans and a tshirt or something of a similar nature. high heels are always a bad idea. when you have that kind of an outfit on, you get molested less. and dont be afraid to hit the person thats molesting you. i do it all the time. it shows them that you're not willing to get felt up like maybe some of the girls there that go just to get ass. final thing. ladies, try having a male friend there that you trust to take care of you in case anything gets too icky.

okay i can go on and on about my favorite sport in the world (moshing) and yes its a sport according to me. but ill stop.

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I refuse to change who I am and how I choose to dress just because a culture of .....people....persists in doing a violent uncivilized act!

i don't even OWN a pair of jeans.

I think folks should look hot at clubs.Why NOT dress up.And as for going to clubds with a male bodyguard.....ifI'm ever out in public with a male platonic friend then people assume its a lover so I never get any play.

Lets return to the basic concept here.People won't stop doing a violent act.and as for the men who use their nbrute strength to feel up a stranger....thats never justified.Is rape justified?have you been there?Trust me,even if its careful and gentler and safe its STILL creepy and its a violation.

But I don't wanna get into the rape survivor stuff.Not here.

point.People here in America have the right to dress as we will and NOT be hurt.This isn;'t some Muslim country.

I'm very discontented now and to be frank I wish I hadn't even read this thread.I don';t like the defensive attitude I think I'm getting....nor do I like the attitude of any who would condone moshing.Sports don't hurt spectators.I'll do whatever I can politically to get moshing ILLEGAL.

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"at all the shows ive been to, moshers pick each other up. and actually theyre curtious enough to the point where they even crowd around someone when they need to tie their shoes. i actually mosh myself at these shows. its quite awesome if i may say so myself. the trick to staying out of the pit is not crowd surfing (cuz ur body will get dumped in the pit) and watching from either the sides, back or front of the venue. usually the pits happen in the middle, unless there are multiple ones or one big one. and as for getting felt up.... it happens. just punch the guy so he knows not to do it again. and the clothing you wear has a lot to do with it too. stick with either wearing jeans and a tshirt or something of a similar nature. high heels are always a bad idea. when you have that kind of an outfit on, you get molested less. and dont be afraid to hit the person thats molesting you. i do it all the time. it shows them that you're not willing to get felt up like maybe some of the girls there that go just to get ass. final thing. ladies, try having a male friend there that you trust to take care of you in case anything gets too icky.
okay i can go on and on about my favorite sport in the world (moshing) and yes its a sport according to me. but ill stop."
- fallenangel33
This is like telling a rape victim that she wouldn't have been raped if she weren't wearing attractive clothing. You should watch what you say. You're not making a whole lot of friends here fallenangel33.

"I even had a little mini skirt and waistcoat made for Wig Wam Bam. The skirt was so short, my undercart hung beneath the hem. I thought it best to keep my underwear on"-Steve Priest

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