he's not glam or hair metal..but he's my number one idol and in my opinion thee very best song writer of all time hands down....how many people have you guys ever herd of that have changed the face of music and the face of an entire generation litlerally over night....with just one album witch was mainly because of one song "smells like teen spirit"...he should be in the rock n roll hall of fame...what do you guy's yhink of him ? note: were talking about his songs and musical talent
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Kurt Cobain
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STAND UP AND SHOUT !Posted 2 years ago #
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*cheerz&glamrock.com*bobbyPosted 2 years ago # -
I love Nirvana, and I love Kurt, and after he died I was sad.
But I also though it was silly how he got tagged as some sort of "genius" right after he died by people who would always say "who?" when I mentioned him months before.
Also, musically, Nirvana did nothing that new, they just got lucky enough to get signed by Geffen, and promoted more by Geffen than Sonic Youth was.
Even Cobain considered Smells Like Teen Spirit to be basically a "Pixies ripoff".
And growing up in the Northwest Punk scene, I was aware of the bands Nirvana got their licks from...Poison Idea was my favourite band in 1984, I used to have part of a live Wipers album, and was just starting to get really into the Pixies before Nevermind came out.
I was also in a Grunge band in 1990, and the rest of the band were convinced Nirvana were the "next big thing", but I couldn't see at the time why, because they didn't stand out to me as doing anything new.
Good, sure, but nothing new to my ears, and certainly too harsh, angry, and dissonant for the radio.
Billy Idol was about the "edgiest" Punk Rock(albeit, cartoony) you could hear on Top 40 radio then..they weren't going to play a band yelling "I'm a negative creep and I'm stoned!"
But the next fall I had to eat my words, and then every low rent Metal and Hard Rock band traded their spandex for flannel, and crap like Candlebox got mislabeled as "Grunge" by the media.Posted 2 years ago # -
such hatred....its dispicable
STAND UP AND SHOUT !Posted 2 years ago # -
You got that right Glamster!!!
Surely Metalrulesall is having us on and he can't be serious?!?!?
How dare you bring this poor excuse for a musician into our glorious forums!!
This guy was a total loser and a anti glam as anyone could possibly be. This angst-ridden drug addict with no sense for fashion almost single-handedly destroyed our beloved glam rock of 70's & 80's with the help of his poor tortured teeth grinding Pal Ed Vedder and that other crack head Layne Staley.
Best songwriter of all time?? Are you kidding me?
'I hate Myself and Want to Die'
'Rape Me'
Yeah great song titles and subject matter! I'll take Nothing but A good time & Rock And Roll All Nite any day!!Changed the face of music?? More like f8cked the face of music. The influence this guy had on guitar players was to simplify everything into 3 chord distortion, feedback and fuzz(but believe me it sounds nothing like Jimi Hendrix), to stand there and stare at their dirty worn out sneakers and not shower or shave for days. Also did this guy ever hear or learn how to play a major chord? Yeah he changed the face of music for 3 short years where he forced everyone into disenchantment with life and society being down and out,depressed and complaining about everything. MUSIC IS A CELEBRATION, PEOPLE. Get with it. But was he down and out?? No sir, he made millions.
Cobain and his cohorts were anti everything Rock/glam/metal ever tried to be, or so they thought! LOL! But they ended up being darlings of MTV and being the rockstars they tried to tell the world they didn't want to be!
Thank god that Grunge and Cobain only lasted 3 or 4 years. And thank god for all of us on Glamrock.com that the whole movement died on pretty much on the same day Cobain did the whole world a favour and blew his teeth and brains out all over his bedroom wall. -- Great f8cking influence to a generation he was, yes indeed.
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"such hatred....its dispicable"
- metalrulesallMe?
Sure, I hate the way the term "Grunge" got misapplied to bands like Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Candlebox, and Alice In Chains, because they didn't/don't play "Grunge", or even "Alternative".
Cobain expressed similar thoughts in his diaries, where he called Pearl Jam a fraud.Posted 2 years ago # -
"such hatred....its dispicable"- metalrulesall
You can't be serious?.....surely?
carroll13 has got to one of the most experienced, tolerant and nicest people that you could hope to meet on a community board.
I am a total loss to see where carroll13's post comes off as bearing hatred. That is something that is beyond me.
"no Carroll13 i think Metalrulesall was referring to Glamster's lovely missile.
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- AniseedRock22350Glamsters reference to incoming is 'board speak' for someone is gonna get pummelled for posting an opinion which potential rubs the community grain the wrong way.
adminPosted 2 years ago # -
no Carroll13 i think Metalrulesall was referring to Glamster's lovely missile.
"I Want Some Glam RockingZ in My StockingZ!!!"
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"such hatred....its dispicable"- metalrulesall
You can't be serious?.....surely?
carroll13 has got to one of the most experienced, tolerant and nicest people that you could hope to meet on a community board.
I am a total loss to see where carroll13's post comes off as bearing hatred. That is something that is beyond me.
"no Carroll13 i think Metalrulesall was referring to Glamster's lovely missile.
"- AniseedRock22350Glamster's reference to incoming is 'board speak' for someone is gonna get pummelled for posting an opinion which potential rubs the community's grain the wrong way.
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I find Nirvana interesting as a phenomenon. They were and are hugely misrepresented, and of course it's sad when any human life is wasted. I wouldn't wish my worst enemy to meet such a pathetic and pointless end. Regarding the music, I could really live without it, and the impact that the Kurt Cobain death cult had on music. It excites negative emotions and spotlights the worst things in life. I just can't comprehend the purpose behind that. Why would anyone choose to bring themselves and others down? What kind of a gift is it to the humanity to ignite a generation to feel unhappy?
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that name should be forbiddin on the site!!!!
Anything worth doing, is definatly worth over doing! Party all the fuckin time!!!Posted 2 years ago # -
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"You got that right Glamster!!!
Surely Metalrulesall is having us on and he can't be serious?!?!?
How dare you bring this poor excuse for a musician into our glorious forums!!
This guy was a total loser and a anti glam as anyone could possibly be. This angst-ridden drug addict with no sense for fashion almost single-handedly destroyed our beloved glam rock of 70's & 80's with the help of his poor tortured teeth grinding Pal Ed Vedder and that other crack head Layne Staley.
Best songwriter of all time?? Are you kidding me?
'I hate Myself and Want to Die'
'Rape Me'
Yeah great song titles and subject matter! I'll take Nothing but A good time & Rock And Roll All Nite any day!!
Changed the face of music?? More like f8cked the face of music. The influence this guy had on guitar players was to simplify everything into 3 chord distortion, feedback and fuzz(but believe me it sounds nothing like Jimi Hendrix), to stand there and stare at their dirty worn out sneakers and not shower or shave for days. Also did this guy ever hear or learn how to play a major chord? Yeah he changed the face of music for 3 short years where he forced everyone into disenchantment with life and society being down and out,depressed and complaining about everything. MUSIC IS A CELEBRATION, PEOPLE. Get with it. But was he down and out?? No sir, he made millions.
Cobain and his cohorts were anti everything Rock/glam/metal ever tried to be, or so they thought! LOL! But they ended up being darlings of MTV and being the rockstars they tried to tell the world they didn't want to be!
Thank god that Grunge and Cobain only lasted 3 or 4 years. And thank god for all of us on Glamrock.com that the whole movement died on pretty much on the same day Cobain did the whole world a favour and blew his teeth and brains out all over his bedroom wall. -- Great f8cking influence to a generation he was, yes indeed."
- StanleyOMG! I totally agree with you. musically i don't think its bad but i mean, they are the same as everything that they made you believe was bad. and thier songwriting sucked. and the songwriting in the music industry has sucked ever since. They destroyed the music industry, which still hasn't totally recovered. I just think that it is sad that so many people could love something like that. I'll agree, being a drug addict and an alchoholic all the time isn't cool. but i mean atleast they wrote songs with the intention on making you feel good about yourself. not like you needed to go cry somewhere.
Anything worth doing, is definatly worth over doing! Party all the fuckin time!!!Posted 2 years ago # -
"It excites negative emotions and spotlights the worst things in life. I just can't comprehend the purpose behind that. Why would anyone choose to bring themselves and others down? What kind of a gift is it to the humanity to ignite a generation to feel unhappy?
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- glammetalmonsterI disagree, it gives ventilation to negative emotion, and acts as a catharsis for ridding oneself of such things.
The point of music is to express emotion, and not all emotions are "bright and fluffy", especially when someone is(as Kurt clearly was) dealing with depression, addiction, and other chronic health problems....and with 9 months of rain a year on top of that.
Rock & Roll came from the Blues, and the Blues is likewise concerned with purging negative emotions...."having the blues" isn't a happy situation, but sharing the pain can offer some relief.
Party music is cool, but likewise, as with any valid artform, music has to be able to celebrate, mourn, and rage.
Different bands and artists have different specialties.Posted 2 years ago # -
I disagree, it gives ventilation to negative emotion, and acts as a catharsis for ridding oneself of such things.
I agree that that releasing negative emotions can prove beneficial, and maybe even identifying with someone else's angst in a song, in order to release pent up emotion by proxy is a good thing. I can't comprehend it myself, but it doesn't mean I don't concede it is possible. There are a lot of people with different preferences, and I respect that, yet I am still dubious about recording negativity in music. As I see it, if you're feeling negative emotions, and you listen to negative music, you will perpetuate that feeling. I know it's a somewhat simplistic way of looking at things, but I stand by it.
The point of music is to express emotion, and not all emotions are "bright and fluffy", especially when someone is(as Kurt clearly was) dealing with depression, addiction, and other chronic health problems....and with 9 months of rain a year on top of that.
Agreed and understood, yet I'll risk infuriating you by saying, on my simplistic level, that if he'd concentrated on recording and performing happier music, maybe things would have been brighter for him. There is always choice involved.
Rock & Roll came from the Blues, and the Blues is likewise concerned with purging negative emotions...."having the blues" isn't a happy situation, but sharing the pain can offer some relief.
Very good point that. The blues is easier on my ears than Nirvana, and although I don't listen to much, I do enjoy blues tinged hard rock.
Party music is cool, but likewise, as with any valid artform, music has to be able to celebrate, mourn, and rage.
Different bands and artists have different specialties.When considering music as Art, this is true. I do respect your views, but I operate on a different level perhaps. Music to me is entertainment. I'm not saying I never appreciate or identify with music beyond the range of good time party rock n' roll. I just know what I like best, and think that good time music has a positive, energising effect on people, which to my mind is the best legacy anyone can hope to achieve with musical expression.
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carroll13...its nice to see some one else on this thread who actaully knows what there talking about...stanely could learn a thing or 2 from us....pathetic musician pfftt....thats more along the lines of jimi hendrix or robert plant....glam expert my ass !....im sorry stanely but you crossed the line when you pissed me off buy making fun of kurt coabin....carroll13 was right 100 percent !
STAND UP AND SHOUT !Posted 2 years ago # -
i still think he was a pathetic excuse for a musician. he didn't even want to be where he was. He never once said that he was happy that people actually took the time to listen to thier music. he killed himslef because he got 'to popular'. grunge doesn't just excite negative emotion, it encourages it. Its really a very depressing type of music. why anyone would listen to it is totally beyong me.
Anything worth doing, is definatly worth over doing! Party all the fuckin time!!!Posted 2 years ago # -
I love his lyrics. Medical Romance. And the irony is he used to just throw them away, scribble them between takes. Kurt was an tortured artist, which in my opinion is the best kind.
Nirvana changed my life. I was a young, dumb kid, struggling to make sense of the bullshit I was being handed by parents, skool, peers etc. Kurt was just so dowdy and ugly and in earnest that of course a fucked up puppy like me would be drawn to him. Those days were some of the best in my life... I don't regret a thing.
So yeah, I liked him when he was a man, not a god. He's my Idol, and I hate to say but my fandom of the band has kind of taken on a religious aspect, he's become perfect in my memory, albeit perfectly flawed...
I'd arrest myself, or wear a sheild: I have the K records tattoo thing on my body.
As for there being haters, well fuck. I'm sure your opinions count for something... So he wasn't fucking technical, big whoop. And Nirvana are to blame for a lot of the turmoil we've seen in the record industry over the last decade, metal has pretty much fucked itself over in the early 90s, bloated excessive rock monsters... I reckon the 'grunge' movement made a lot of bands take a long hard look at themselves. And that's never a bad thing.
Ah, I don't know, put me down as *For*. <3K
"Personally monsieur," said Poirot, "I don't give le fuck."
You shouldn't talk to me. Find better company. There's better people to know. You'll only end up like Rimbaud. Get shot by Verlaine...Posted 2 years ago # -
grunge did ruin the music industry. why would you want to be a tortured person? now its uncool to have a good time anymore. and there is nothing wrong with being a big rockstar. anyways, this isn't even something that should be discussed on this site causes its not what its for. Grunge whiped out everything that people liked about music. it took away the fantasy aspect of it and stipped it down to the point where there is no point in listening to it anymore.
Anything worth doing, is definatly worth over doing! Party all the fuckin time!!!Posted 2 years ago # -
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Agreed and understood, yet I'll risk infuriating you by saying, on my simplistic level, that if he'd concentrated on recording and performing happier music, maybe things would have been brighter for him. There is always choice involved."I understand what you mean, however while Nirvana wasn't all roses and sunshine, it wasn't all glum either. They had plenty of humourous and fun songs as well.
Negative Creep has always cracked me up(...making fun of negative people), and Sliver? Perhaps not the happiest subject(being stuck at grandma's house when you want to go home), but not that gloomy either...a whole chorus of "Gramma take me home!" is pretty lighthearted and funny to me.Posted 2 years ago # -
"i still think he was a pathetic excuse for a musician. he didn't even want to be where he was. He never once said that he was happy that people actually took the time to listen to thier music. he killed himslef because he got 'to popular'. grunge doesn't just excite negative emotion, it encourages it. Its really a very depressing type of music. why anyone would listen to it is totally beyong me."
- rockNrollstarI think he actually did want to be a star, or at least a successful musican, but the Northwest scene...even non-grunge music...tends to frown on anything seeming the slightest bit "careerist".
And that contrast between suddenly being a hugely successful musician, and having all these people in the Northwest yelling "Sellout" and shunning him, along with his other health problems, AND a record company that couldn't handle one of their hottest selling bands wanting to experiment musically, exacerbated his depression.Posted 2 years ago # -
*I have the K records tattoo thing on my body.*
Whoah, see, this highlights just how wrong I was in 1990 about Northwest bands ever making an impact outside the region.
I mean, Sub Pop tattoos in the UK would have shocked me back then, but K Records, wow!Obscure!Posted 2 years ago # -
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Have never been a fan of Nirvana myself. I don't think grunge is the worst thing to ever happen, but I would certainly have preferred it NOT to have happened. All their anthems to self-pity made great glam metal songs like "Kickstart My Heart" and "Nothing But A Good Time" uncool to the fullest extent of the word. I mean, just look at the brainwashed kids of today. Most of them look at the entire glam metal era as one big joke. It's like enjoying life is for losers and freaks or something. And seriuosly, grunge music killed the concept of a decent guitar solo. It's like "Hey, we've done the chorus for the third time, throw in some static and fuzz with some heavily distorted notes in the background and we'll call it a hit!" Listening to Nirvana I don't cringe or anything, but I seriously wonder how they became the darlings of an entire era of rock and roll.
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god bless Courtney Love..
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"carroll13...its nice to see some one else on this thread who actaully knows what there talking about...stanely could learn a thing or 2 from us....pathetic musician pfftt....thats more along the lines of jimi hendrix or robert plant....glam expert my ass !....im sorry stanely but you crossed the line when you pissed me off buy making fun of kurt coabin....carroll13 was right 100 percent !"- metalrulesall
I wasn't making fun, MetalrulesAll, everything I said is fact.
"I'M BACK!!"Posted 2 years ago # -
pathetic musician pfftt....thats more along the lines of jimi hendrix or robert plant....
Woah, wait a minute here. Am I reading this wrong or did you seriously just say that Jimi Hendrix was less talented than Kurt Cobain. Because I seriously can't believe anyone would say anything that ignorantly against all reality.
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"Have never been a fan of Nirvana myself. I don't think grunge is the worst thing to ever happen, but I would certainly have preferred it NOT to have happened. All their anthems to self-pity made great glam metal songs like "Kickstart My Heart" and "Nothing But A Good Time" uncool to the fullest extent of the word. I mean, just look at the brainwashed kids of today. Most of them look at the entire glam metal era as one big joke. It's like enjoying life is for losers and freaks or something. And seriuosly, grunge music killed the concept of a decent guitar solo. It's like "Hey, we've done the chorus for the third time, throw in some static and fuzz with some heavily distorted notes in the background and we'll call it a hit!" Listening to Nirvana I don't cringe or anything, but I seriously wonder how they became the darlings of an entire era of rock and roll."
- GlamJam89Good points GlamJam89!
Hey, maybe it did need to happen. The public got their 3 year dose of depression but they got sick of it pretty quickly. From my experience a lot of the kids of today do realise what a low period that was in rock history. At our shows the najority of people attending are 18 to 30, and it's the same in the Rock clubs, too. They would have grown up listening to Grunge. The kids at the time would diss glam metal at the time, but it wouldn't be long before they got bored, and went back to what is good and fun. I know a lot of people who say things like "I wish I didn't cut my hair" I wish I didn't throw out those jeans and t-shirts etc..."I'M BACK!!"Posted 2 years ago # -
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pathetic musician pfftt....thats more along the lines of jimi hendrix or robert plant....
Woah, wait a minute here. Am I reading this wrong or did you seriously just say that Jimi Hendrix was less talented than Kurt Cobain. Because I seriously can't believe anyone would say anything that ignorantly against all reality."
- GlamJam89Dude, I think that's what he said
But it's about as unbelievable as his original post..."I'M BACK!!"Posted 2 years ago # -
I think we should start a joey ramone thread, instead of kurt co-who? only kidding. Nirvana had some catchy tunes, just not my cup-o-tea.
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I think that's what it all comes down to in the here and now: Cups of tea! Freedom of opinion, it's amazing, isn't it?
P.s. Of course he wanted to be famous, you don't slog it out for years if you dont.
P.p.s. It gets worse: I ain't in the UK, I'm in the NZ! doubleplus obscure!
P.p.p.s. Everyone that went off metal seems to have come back to it. Glam is a total antidote... These days I need the sheer dumb fun to fight the demons...
P.P.p(oh fuck this
)s. Nirvana a few glam songs, KISS, Bowie, etc.P(etc.)s. I Love Love too! She's a bit shit these days, but she was a ball of fucking fire back then! SHE was the anti-glam, not him. I mean come on, attitudes to women in the early nineties? Not fucking nice.
This is a subject I'm quite passionate about, I've had to endure years of shit about 'grunge', my brain gets all tangled and I find it hard to put across a decent argument. So kill me lol!
"Personally monsieur," said Poirot, "I don't give le fuck."
You shouldn't talk to me. Find better company. There's better people to know. You'll only end up like Rimbaud. Get shot by Verlaine...Posted 2 years ago # -
"I think that's what it all comes down to in the here and now: Cups of tea! Freedom of opinion, it's amazing, isn't it?
P.s. Of course he wanted to be famous, you don't slog it out for years if you dont.
P.p.s. It gets worse: I ain't in the UK, I'm in the NZ! doubleplus obscure!
P.p.p.s. Everyone that went off metal seems to have come back to it. Glam is a total antidote... These days I need the sheer dumb fun to fight the demons...
P.P.p(oh fuck this
)s. Nirvana a few glam songs, KISS, Bowie, etc.
P(etc.)s. I Love Love too! She's a bit shit these days, but she was a ball of fucking fire back then! SHE was the anti-glam, not him. I mean come on, attitudes to women in the early nineties? Not fucking nice.
This is a subject I'm quite passionate about, I've had to endure years of shit about 'grunge', my brain gets all tangled and I find it hard to put across a decent argument. So kill me lol!"
- Tarano he didn't want to be famous. thats why he killed himself. he thought that Nevermind was too successful. That it totally defied their purpose from the begeninning.
Anything worth doing, is definatly worth over doing! Party all the fuckin time!!!Posted 2 years ago #

